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The big issue here is they're being treated as criminals who committed violent crimes and it's a disgusting sight for everyone involved except racists. A lot of these people are innocent people, some who have been here for over 15-20 years and have entire lives and families in the US.
That's why most of the talks here were around Colombia sending their Presidential plane to pick up their citizens. They weren't rejecting the people, they were rejecting the way in which it was done.
Mexico is also doing similar things rejecting military aircraft, but still allowing the deliver of Undocumented immigrants. Sheinbaum has also been preaching a lot on welcoming everyone home, most of LATAM has had the same perspective from what I've read and seen.
The issue with this is, they are criminals. Entering the country without proper documentation or overstaying a visa is a crime. Columbia and Brazil can complain all they want about how they are being treated as criminals, it doesn’t change the fact that they are.
It's a minor offense. Carrying a small fine and 6 months in jail.
How does that justify treating them as violent criminals?
They aren’t being treated as violent prisoners, they are being treated as prisoners. Military aircraft are being used for their very large carrying capacity, and handcuffs are probably used on the actually violent people, not everyone.
Please source that claim. All the news reports I saw reported the opposite.
AFP reported talking to two people, the first had been in detention for 7 months before being deported in handcuffs and with tied feet, which would imply he was facing criminal charges in the US for something instead of just recieving the NTA. He was also not given water on the flight and not allowed to use the restroom, possibky due to his bound state. The second did not mention handcuffs at all and was complaining about no AC on the military aircraft. There appear to be no other interviews, no video footage of the flight or the people being ordered off the flight, and other news articles are citing the AFP for their reports of handcuffs and mistreatment.
Most English news media for some reason didn't bother to include the footage of people leaving the plane handcuffed, but it does exist.
See https://youtu.be/WDAP5GRAbk0
Ah okay, that’s still them being treated as standard criminals then and not violent criminals. Regular criminals get handcuffed for transportation too.
In what way do violent criminals get transported that's different?
Are you looking for Hannibal Lector handcarts?
We are all guilty of crimes at some point. Maybe speeding, or parking somewhere without permission, driving when you may be intoxicated, taking some office supplies home, not noticing that your license plate had expired, a million other things.
The point is that any one of us could be arrested and convicted if the authorities decided it was worth their while to.
You are in favor of these people being deported without even judicial review, because you are in no danger of being harmed by the government's actions. Yet.
People are given parking tickets, liscense suspensions, citations and fines all the time, if you illegally enter the country and are caught, you get deported.
I AGREE that overstaying your Visa is a Crime! UNLESS You're Rich in which case you're allowed to Buy the Presidency even if you overstay your Visa!
Oh Elon should fuck off too, he is actively damaging important government institutions.
The issue with this is, they are people. Entering the country without proper documentations or overstaying a visa does not change that. The US can complain all it wants about the rest of the world wanting them to treat these people with basic dignity, it doesn't change the fact they deserve their basic dignity.
I would say they are, the deported people aren’t being starved, nor mistreated. They commited the crime and are now being caught and deported as punishment for said crime.
Were they convicted of a crime? If you're gonna be technical, you smug little shit, you technically have to be convicted of a crime to be a criminal. None of them were, so they weren't criminals.
“ If caught within 100 miles of the U.S. border, where U.S. Customs and Border Protection ("CBP") patrols, they can place you in expedited removal proceedings; in other words, deport you quickly, without a hearing.
If caught deeper within the United States, you will likely be placed into removal proceedings in immigration court and charged with being either "removable" or "inadmissible" under U.S. immigration law. Prior to the first court hearing, called a "master calendar" hearing, you should receive a Notice to Appear ("NTA"), along with charging documents and a Notice of Hearing in Removal Proceedings. These documents will state the immigration-related charges against you and the date and time to appear in immigration court. “
Though I suspect this will change soon.
That says nowhere that you become a criminal. You went to all the trouble to look it up, only for it to agree with me.
Oh I’m not arguing if they are convicted or not. It simply doesn’t matter.
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Sadly the problem isn't going to solve itself like that. We need to channel that anger into action. There are many non-violent actions we've yet to try (including a general strike) but they'll take lots of organization. Violent options may be needed as a last resort as well, if history is any indication. Hopefully there'll be support from the rest of the world.