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[–] [email protected] 18 points 5 days ago (1 children)

There are many examples of the left pushing blind faith in the leader (see Mao, Kim Il Sung, Stalin)

[–] [email protected] 10 points 5 days ago (1 children)

There are many cases of authoritarians claiming labels that so not reflect their actions or goals, yes.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 5 days ago (4 children)

No true Scotsman fallacy

I'm progressive, but we should not deny the failure modes of progressivism

[–] [email protected] 15 points 5 days ago (2 children)

Adopting the names of left leaning styles of government does nothing to change their actual oligarch and kleptocratic styles is leadership, so that does not apply.

Unless we're to believe that Nazi Germany was somehow just a bunch of misguided socialists...

[–] [email protected] 4 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (1 children)

Well, Elon and German far-right politician Alice Weidel claimed in a recent talk that Hitler was a communist...

[–] [email protected] 3 points 5 days ago

(a) love your name... though I do prefer farro/emmer when given the choice ;)

(b) of course those nazis did... always co-opting existing names and symbols for evil

[–] [email protected] 3 points 5 days ago

Yeah idk, excluding all the historical Marxist Leninists movements from the leftist continuum feels a bit disingenuous.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago)

Soviet Russia wasn't exactly a model of progressivism though— it was a rigidly hierarchical society with extreme wealth disparity.

Same for the other examples.

The NTS fallacy is about redefining terms to cherry-pick data. Those regimes don't match any version of 'progressive' I've ever seen.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago)

There was literally a ~~slip~~ split in the first international. You can't blame those aligning with the lesser influential side for the things the authoritarians did. "The Left" is a far too broad concept to apply the No True Scotsman fallacy to.

Edit: typo

[–] [email protected] 1 points 5 days ago

Stalin wasn't progressivism, actually the opposite, it was the conservative part of the party, that inspired the other dictators.