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Party official billionaires are much better than sketchy "self made" billionaires.
Party officials owe their fortune and allegiance to the party, and we've seen some high profile cases of billionaires being brought to their heels very quickly.
Capitalist billionaires are the end result of a selection process that chooses the most self serving, greedy, ruthless bastards.
I'll take #1. Fight me.
It's the Worker's Billionaire, you western imperialist dog! Stalin did nothing wrong! Dengism forever! I am very normal!
closes hatch on tank and drives away
Party officials made their fortune first and were then forced to join the party, the party doesn't make their fortune. They don't care about people, unless they get either rich or influential, and then uses their red book to reel them in.
China is the most capitalist country on the planet. The only thing they openly worship is money.
Please spend some time there and we talk afterwards, if you stick to your opinion.
What the hell did I just read?
You've obviously never been there, then. Give it a try and get back to me.
Propaganda.
If China were capitalist, they wouldn’t have lifted a record number of people out of poverty, continually be spending on improving public services, and prosecuting their wealthy. Simply participating in markets doesn’t make a country capitalist- it’s how that wealth is distributed or not.
But we’re fed this Sinophobic propaganda in the hopes we won’t notice that China is passing us by, and the average person there is living a far higher quality of life.
I'm not being fed sinophobic propaganda, I lived in China for 7 years, speak Chinese, and an married to a Chinese.
Quality of life is by and large alright, but there's a huge disparity between the so called middle class and the actual working class that's in violation of everything Marxist you'll ever read about.
They absolutely have a lot of room for improvement, and their leadership has openly acknowledged they need reforms to move towards a truer implementation of communism. They’ve already implemented some of those reforms.
But hats off to them for what they’ve accomplished so far. Unrecognizable from the country they were 30 years ago.
I disagree. What matters is power, and money does grant a lot of it, but in China especially this isn't as direct as it is in the US for example because of party politics.
That's a very broad assumption, and in some cases is true, some it is not. China has over 1 000 billionaires, over 100 of them are in the parliament, so it's a bit of a chicken and egg thing, they go hand in hand because of the power thing.
Yeah walking the streets of Beijing will give me ample opportunity to meet & greet Chinese billionaires and CCCP top brass.
I take almost any Chinese party official over an American Billionaire. Rich people had their chance to prove capitalism works, it didn't....
China has shown it jails Billionaires, so their Justice system works better than the one in the US.
China has jailed billionaires for going against the communist party's doctrine and gaining power, not for any actual crimes.
Yes ... but they ARE jailed (or worse). And they all know the Party has shit on them and they still chose to rise. That's their game.... what's the western equivalent? Be born rich, cause literal chemical natural disasters by lobby work and shitty investment decisions and what happens?..... correct... In china they be ded...
Between a choice of "you will never be arrested for anything, ever, no matter how heinous" vs "You can be arrested at any time for any reason or no reason, at the whim of your government" I cannot say with confidence which of those is worse.
Out of my perspective, one system punishes overlords and the other doesn't. I know what you mean regarding the prohibition on critics of the system / important people / journalism / science ... but if we strictly compare the US with China in terms of billionaire punishment, China wins...
And regarding the massive steps the USA takes towards an autocracy, I would say the other aspects of the argument won't hold up much longer.
It seems like we need to go through this shit to finally get our star trek future.