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A Better Federated Search (blog.doomsdayrs.page)

submitted 3 weeks ago by [email protected] to c/programming

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I've been trying to figure this out for over a year now.

This is my latest concept that I'll try to make.

What do you all think?

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[–] [email protected] 10 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

no one can index exponential amounts of data, nevermind the predatory SEO and AI.

Google is. The NSA almost undoubtedly is. A bunch of other governments are. AI companies probably are. Meta probably is.

When a user wants to search something up, they first search for a topic in web-rings, and then they select that web-ring.

From a usability perspective, that doesn't feel great. How does a user find the first web ring search engine? What if they don't want that multi step process? How do users avoid predatory web rings that are trying to sell them stuff? How does this compete with existing search?

[–] [email protected] 2 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

How does a user find the first web ring search engine?

The implication is that such functionality is bundled into this search engine.

What if they don't want that multi step process?

Hard thing, but what are a few steps toavoiding AI spam results?

How do users avoid predatory web rings that are trying to sell them stuff?

That's a moderation issue, alluded to being a problem that should be figured out separate to figuring out this web-ring federation.

How does this compete with existing search?

Existing on the sidelines and possibly leaching off DDG users who want a less bing dependent search.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

What if they don't want that multi step process?

Hard thing, but what are a few steps to avoiding AI spam results?

There's nothing inherent to this proposal that avoids spam or SEO. You describe it as a "moderation issue" and then mark it as out of scope.

If avoiding AI spam or SEO sites is a feature of this proposal, then it should be addressed directly.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

What I mean by the avoid AI spam / SEO sites is Google, Bing, Yahoo etc all are filled with that.

The concept behind the utilization of web-rings means that, assuming the web-ring is maintained by a trustworthy entity, the sites "attached" are reviewed as not AI / SEO slop.

The responsibility to prevent AI / SEO is no longer in the hands of the developer, but in moderation and users verifying / certifying the quality of web-rings.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

The responsibility to prevent AI / SEO is ... in moderation and users verifying / certifying the quality of web-rings.

The proposal should include mechanisms to support moderation and user feedback. That flavour of crowdsourcing is difficult because users, search engine maintainers, and web ring participants may be malicious.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 weeks ago

Agreed meow mew mraw meow mew mew.

In summary, More thought must be enacted