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[–] [email protected] 374 points 2 weeks ago (13 children)

Love that the entire internet, left, right, authoritarian, liberal, and everyone in-between came out to say “lol, get rekt, oligarch.” Nothing I’ve ever seen has been as unifying as this. Running for office under the banner of beheading CEOs might sincerely get you elected.

[–] [email protected] 172 points 2 weeks ago (3 children)

I think the powers that be underestimate our thirst for justice. This is the closest thing to justice for the rich we've seen in - maybe our lives?

I don't want to live in a world of vigilante justice but this kind of thing is inevitable when the system fails us for as long as it has.

[–] JackbyDev 24 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

This is the closest thing to justice for the rich we've seen in - maybe our lives?

That submarine popping.

[–] [email protected] 21 points 2 weeks ago

Karmic justice sure - aside from the kid who got roped into taking that voyage by his dad. Billionaires hubris treats the world as their plaything, and find out that nature doesn’t care about your net worth

[–] [email protected] 5 points 2 weeks ago

I think that's more hubris leading to death by misadventure. Ikarus got a little too warm.

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[–] [email protected] 41 points 2 weeks ago (6 children)

As someone that could probably best be described as center-left (guillotine oligarchs yes, UBI yes, abolition of private property and free markets no), I do dare say that not a single common person on the right likes the billionaires either. It's just that their side of the political isle has been co-opted by the billionaires even worse than the "left" side because being anti-tax and anti-regulation is more useful to billionaires than pro-tax and pro-regulation.

[–] [email protected] 53 points 2 weeks ago (7 children)

Nah the right has one or three pet billionaires they outright worship.

[–] [email protected] 41 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (2 children)

These one or three pet billionaires have done a lot of image building to achieve this. They're trying to be the "common man's billionaire" and "just like us". Musk spent a decade trying to appear like a nerdy engineer and when people started realizing he's a shitheel, he pivoted to the "the elites are after me, it's time for us to stop them together" shtick.

In general, the right (and I mean individual people, NOT politicians) hates billionaires almost as much as we do, but wrongly associates them with the left - but while it's true that some billionaires are left-wing socially, they're damn near all right-wing economically, because no billionaire is going to want to have less money.

[–] [email protected] 23 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (1 children)

Yeah the big issue is as you said. Ask someone on the right to name a bad billionaire. They will mention musk, bezos, Tim Cook, but probably only hating cook for being woke and money grubbing. The ones who pull the strings hide themselves. Nobody knows who they are they’re just CEO of x y z. There’s 750+ billionaires in the US, 15 in every state on average (though most of them are in cali, Texas, and ny). And they’ve spent a boatload of money getting very smart people to convince everyone they can that the problem is Joe Biden, or Kamala Harris. Tribalism is strong, and unfortunately people just lap it up.

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[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 weeks ago

There’s a bit like this in Daredevil. They’ve been tracing some shadowy acts back to Wilson Fisk, a horrible rich man nobody’s heard of. A top journalist is preparing an article on his actions based on circumstantial evidence.

Fisk, reading the situation and retaliating, opens a press conference introducing himself and voluntarily makes his name known to get on people’s good side.

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[–] [email protected] 12 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

Private property ≠ personal property. Private property is mostly owned by businesses and corporations, not a person.

As we can see in the US, housing should never be private property, since the number of units that have sat empty for at least 12 months outnumbers our homeless population by a factor of over 70:1 counting all residential types (apartments, condos, duplexes.) If you only count single family detached homes, those still outnumber the homeless population by a factor of 30:1

[–] [email protected] 12 points 2 weeks ago (5 children)

guillotine oligarchs yes, UBI yes

That’s called center left now? I thought that was far left.

Center left is what we used to have after WWII.

Far left is what we worked for during the labour movement. Or so I thought.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 2 weeks ago (14 children)

If you aren't working towards the establishment of Socialism, you can hardly be called "far left."

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[–] [email protected] 7 points 2 weeks ago

You're thinking eu not us. Overton window shifts in the us

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[–] [email protected] 11 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

The left is not pro "all private property abolished". Only " all private property of the means of production "

[–] [email protected] 10 points 2 weeks ago (5 children)

Or, when someone says "abolish private property" they're not talking about your toothbrush.

In this context, private property is the stuff you can use to generate capital. Personal property is your toothbrush, your phone, clothes, furniture, bike, car, house etc.

If you own a second house for rental income, that's private property. The house you just live in is personal property.

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[–] [email protected] 5 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (3 children)

How make no billionaires if capitalists allowed to keep owning means of production? Allow to get rich, and then kill?

[–] [email protected] 9 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (2 children)

Here's a small set of proposals, definitely well thought of and not made up specifically for this comment to make a point:

Start taxing them heavily on wealth INCLUDING unrealized gains once it hits a threshold, but no wealth tax for normal people. Force companies to become either co-ops or publicly traded when certain thresholds are met - and if the founder has too much stock, the taxes on unrealized gains will force them to sell. But if it's a co-op, don't count anyone's share in it as wealth for taxation, only any profit actually paid out by the co-op. My prediction is that companies with high profit per employee (think Steam) will become worker-owned co-ops and companies with lower profit per employee will be publicly traded (think Walmart, except of course Walmart is already publicly traded)

Essentially, I want people to be able to own property, but not own so much that it negatively affects everyone else - everyone should be able to have a primary residence tax-free and I don't think it's bad for someone to own a second home either, except that shouldn't be tax-free. Hoarding property isn't OK though - that affects everyone else's housing situation. I don't like the idea of the state owning all homes - I want there to be strong rules protecting me from being evicted because the state needs a factory built right where my neighbourhood is - but there SHOULD also be state sponsored housing for those who can't afford their own homes, and they should be easily attainable, and built to a good standard.

I'm okay with people making a plentiful living from passive income off ownership in some company they built, I'm just not okay with it being so much that they make more in a year than the rest of us do in a hundred thousand.

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[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 weeks ago (8 children)

I mean... If they're forced to game the system so they stay just below the "rich" threshold all that extra money has to go somewhere besides their pocket.

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[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 weeks ago (3 children)

Taxes. Tax anything over one billion at 100%

[–] [email protected] 8 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

We used t have “progressive” income taxes where higher income paid more, but tax breaks have largely gone to the wealthy over the last half century. While we still have tax brackets, they top off much lower than they used to. More importantly we have a really complex tax code, where some people are able to use loopholes and exceptions, such that many wealthy people pay at a lower rate. Were effectively a “regressive” tax code now

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

How stop 999 millionaire from buying government and changing tax law?

[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 weeks ago

Limit personally donations by law. Block corporate donations completely. Force donations into a central pool for equal distribution to the parties.

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[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

I commented on a [email protected] post about a bunch of CEOs of publicly traded companies endorsing Kamala Harris saying that it hurts her campaign more than it helps and I got downvoted and had people replying to me saying "um, actually most people look up to CEOs, you're the one out of touch." I'm feeling pretty vindicated rn.

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[–] [email protected] 39 points 2 weeks ago

Running for office under the banner of beheading CEOs might sincerely get you elected.

That would get my vote.

[–] [email protected] 28 points 2 weeks ago

He’s not even an oligarch. He’s the oligarchs’ toadie.

If this reaches the real oligarchs, we might see some change—and backlash but backlash is inevitable if before real change.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 2 weeks ago

I couldn't agree more, every Trump supporter I've seen or talked to is just gleeful about this. Liberal, Conservative, Progressive, Oldschool, it doesn't matter, everyone in the 99% loves this. The day Brian Thompson was shot put a smile on the face of America.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 2 weeks ago

"Running for office under the banner of beheading CEOs might sincerely get you elected."

Found my quote of the year.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 2 weeks ago

That’s the one enemy everyone has in common. We need more like those.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 2 weeks ago

It could be the one thing that heals the country.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

What? The politics of right / liberal free market capitalism creates those! Did anyone read Marx and Piketty?

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