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Is Python's tooling incredibly difficult, or am I just stupid? (sh.itjust.works)

submitted 2 weeks ago by [email protected] to c/programming

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So I'm no expert, but I have been a hobbyist C and Rust dev for a while now, and I've installed tons of programs from GitHub and whatnot that required manual compilation or other hoops to jump through, but I am constantly befuddled installing python apps. They seem to always need a very specific (often outdated) version of python, require a bunch of venv nonsense, googling gives tons of outdated info that no longer works, and generally seem incredibly not portable. As someone who doesn't work in python, it seems more obtuse than any other language's ecosystem. Why is it like this?

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[–] FizzyOrange 31 points 2 weeks ago (5 children)

Yes it's terrible. The only hope on the horizon is uv. It's significantly better than all the other tooling (Poetry, pip, pipenv, etc.) so I think it has a good chance of reducing the options to just Pip or uv at least.

But I fully expect the Python Devs to ignore it, and maybe even make life deliberately difficult for it like they did for static analysers. They have some strange priorities sometimes.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 week ago (1 children)

uv is good but it needs a little more time in the oven.

For the moment I would definitely recommend poetry if you are not a library developer. Poetry's biggest sin is it's atrocious performance but it has most of the features you need to work with Python apps today.

[–] FizzyOrange 3 points 1 week ago

Why do you say it needs more time in the oven? I've had zero issues with it as a drop-in replacement for Pip in a large commercial project, which is an extremely impressive achievement. (And it was 10x faster.)

I tried Poetry once and it failed to resolve dependencies on the first thing I tried it on. If anything Poetry needs more time in the oven. It also wasn't 10x faster.

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