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Is Python's tooling incredibly difficult, or am I just stupid? (sh.itjust.works)

submitted 1 month ago by [email protected] to c/programming

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So I'm no expert, but I have been a hobbyist C and Rust dev for a while now, and I've installed tons of programs from GitHub and whatnot that required manual compilation or other hoops to jump through, but I am constantly befuddled installing python apps. They seem to always need a very specific (often outdated) version of python, require a bunch of venv nonsense, googling gives tons of outdated info that no longer works, and generally seem incredibly not portable. As someone who doesn't work in python, it seems more obtuse than any other language's ecosystem. Why is it like this?

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[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 month ago (2 children)

Python is the new Perl

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 month ago (2 children)

After using python, I'm of the opinion that perl was much cleaner.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 month ago

Nothing comes close to Perl’s abuse of global variables. Oh you called this function? Take a guess which global variables it will use.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 month ago

Yes. Its line noise was of a much higher quality. 😉

[–] Zykino 1 points 1 month ago (1 children)

On that note, I'm hesitant between writing my scripts in perl or python right now. Bash prevent sharing with Windows peoples... I just want to provide easy wrappers tools that are usually aroud 10 lines of shell, but testers ain't on linux so they cannot use them.

I don't know perl, but each time I interract with pyton's projects I have a different venv/poetry/... to setup. Forget adout it the next time and nothing is kept easy to reuse.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 month ago

Perl isn't really any better. There aren't easy tools that do the same thing as venv. They exist, but they are not easy. Plus there are a much larger amount of cpan modules that have c in them than python.