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You always hear the phase “9 to 5” and also the song with the same name. Assuming you include 1 hour worth of breaks (30 minute lunch and two 15 minute breaks), you’re only working for 7 hours a day which comes up to 35 hours a week.

Now it feels like you have to work 8 hours a day (for a total of 40 hours of actual work), plus your other time off meaning you’re really there for 9 hours each day (for a total of 45 hours). Am i looking at that wrong, or did expected times change, and if so, when?

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[–] [email protected] 24 points 1 month ago (2 children)

Where are you working where you are expected to work through your breaks? 9-5 should include your break times as well, yes.

[–] [email protected] 61 points 1 month ago (2 children)
[–] [email protected] 16 points 1 month ago (2 children)

Sounds like you've been taken advantage of. Assuming you live in a western country they should have some kind of department for labor violations you can escalate to if it comes that.

[–] [email protected] 29 points 1 month ago (3 children)

I'm in the US.

I've never had a job tell us we can't take our 15s. But most places keep staffing tight enough, and busy enough, that people feel guilty taking a 15 unless they have a real reason to.

Personally, I find them kind of frustrating. By the time I begin to calm down, it's time to head back. It's not even like a real break. Where I am now, 30min is auto deduced for lunch, so we take 45min lunches most of the time.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 month ago

I've never had a job tell us we can't take our 15s.

That's be super illegal, yeah

I've worked one place that enforced they be 10 minutes, though, which is the requirement in California, shockingly

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 month ago

I remember asking about breaks before accepting a job and explaining that I take a 10-minute walk every afternoon. I was assured that was fine! Until I was working the job and actually did so every day. Then it wasn't fine.

At a low paying non-profit, no less.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 4 weeks ago

The worst is when they're like that about lunch breaks, but when it comes to smoking, all bets are off. If you don't smoke, then you can just go fuck yourself I guess...

Much less common than it used to be, but still a thing some places.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 month ago

I'm in Germany. I'm 40 years old. And this year, for the first time in my life, I work in a job that is 9 to 5 with an hour of breaks.
Which counts as 7 working hours. Because the breaks are not included as work time. Never have been. In none of the official, unionized jobs I ever worked.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Most jobs I've had will schedule 8-430/9-530/etc, so that you work a full 8 hours but you have a 30min mandatory unpaid lunch break. The two 15 min breaks are paid, but they were also "discouraged."

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 month ago (2 children)

Man, I have worked some shitty jobs and not one of them as ever discouraged me in any way from taking my breaks.

Days off is a whole other thing though

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 month ago (1 children)

I've been in construction for many years, and the norm is working straight through till lunch then straight till the end of the day. Usually no one bats an eye if you take a few minutes to catch your breath or smoke if you bust ass, but yeah there typically isn't a designated 10-15 all stop. That and most guys usually take 20 min to take a shit, so I guess it tends to balance out.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 4 weeks ago* (last edited 4 weeks ago)

To be fair, construction workers get paid a shitload. Fucks your body up though from what I understand.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 month ago

Meanwhile, I've only ever had one that encouraged taking breaks.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 1 month ago (3 children)
[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 month ago (5 children)

I'm Canadian myself but isn't this illegal? In Canada we have a labor program where you can file a complaint if it comes to that.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Depends on the state. But the reality is you need to hire a lawyer to fight it and we already have to choose between a roof and food most of the time so good luck with that.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 month ago (1 children)

That sucks, sorry to hear that. I honestly thought the US had a similar thing as well. I guess that explains the huge push for more unions across the US over the past few years.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 month ago

They have it really bad over there. My understanding is most European countries would laugh at Canadian labour law, but Canada laughs at the US's.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 month ago

Oh I'm sure you can FILE a complaint here too.

Doesn't mean anybody gives a shit.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

In Canada full time is whatever an employer decides it is, not 35h, not even 40h. In Quebec an employer isn't required to give 15mins break. But if they do they must be paid. The 30mins lunch break is mandatory, but also unpaid. You've just gotten lucky with decent employers/union jobs. I'd imagine other provinces are similar.

https://www.cnesst.gouv.qc.ca/en/working-conditions/work-schedule-and-termination-employment/work-schedule/presence-work-breaks-and-weekly-rest-period

An employer is under no obligation to offer breaks but when a break is granted, it must be paid and be included in the calculation of the hours worked.

After 5 consecutive hours of work, a worker is entitled to a 30-minute meal break, without pay. If the worker is required to remain at their workstation during this time, their meal break must be paid.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

In British Columbia our labor laws were basically written by EA so tech workers have almost no protection against overtime unless it's contiguous - the only hard limit on working is once you hit 32 continuous hours you must be given time off... BC high tech employees are exempt from any overtime and the only limit they still get is that they must be given eight hours off every day - but that's eight hours not working, not necessarily eight hours of sleep. So you could be asked to work 32 continuous hours then be sent home with a forty-five minute drive, get home, sleep for six and a half hours (or try to) then get back in your car to drive back to the office to work another sixteen hours.

If you objected to this schedule you could quit but you'd have no legal recourse to sue your employer.

Oh, and in the above three day scenario (home for eight, work for thirty two, home for eight, work for sixteen) you'd be paid the same if you worked for twenty four hours over three days.

BC tech workers have no rights.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 month ago

Depends on the Province I think. Where I'm at you're entitled to 30 min off (unpaid) within the first 5 hours, and another within 8 if you're working longer than 8 hours. 15 min breaks are not mandated except that if the company gives you them they must be paid.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 month ago

I'd guess too. In central and eastern Europe, 7 to 3 is the norm but nobody pronounces it that.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 4 weeks ago

Probably the US, specifically. Most of America has unions, except the US has all but made actual unions illegal