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LLMs can’t reason — they just crib reasoning-like steps from their training data (pivot-to-ai.com)

submitted 2 months ago by [email protected] to c/[email protected]

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[–] [email protected] 13 points 2 months ago (3 children)

Isn’t OpenAI saying that o1 has reasoning as a specific selling point?

[–] [email protected] 14 points 2 months ago (1 children)

they do say that, yes. it’s as bullshit as all the other claims they’ve been making

[–] [email protected] 8 points 2 months ago

Which is my point, and forgive me, but I believe is the point of the research publication.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 2 months ago

They say a lot of stuff.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 2 months ago (1 children)

My best guess is it generates several possible replies and then does some sort of token match to determine which one may potentially be the most accurate. Not sure if I'd call that "reasoning" but I guess it could potentially improve results in some cases. With OpenAI not being so open it is hard to tell though. They've been overpromising a lot already so it may as well be just complete bullshit.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 months ago (1 children)

My best guess is it generates several possible replies and then does some sort of token match to determine which one may potentially be the most accurate.

Didn't the previous models already do this?

[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 months ago

No idea. I'm not actually using any OpenAI products.