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So you don’t like Trump or Harris – here’s why it’s still best to vote for one of them
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this post was submitted on 10 Oct 2024
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A protest vote to a third party is actually a protest vote to whoever you prefer less. You're essentially just removing yourself as a voter and making it more likely the person you like less is elected... we often say "third party is a vote for Trump" since most of lemmy is sane - but for a staunch conservative a vote for a third party is a vote for Harris.
I'd encourage everyone to vote regardless of your leaning - having low voter turnout allows more shitty shenanigans.
Yep, we also say that because there are a lot of astroturf accounts pushing Stein and De La Cruz on Lemmy that are hyper-critical of Harris but suspiciously never want to talk about what a shitbag Trump is.
They don't push them. They just push back against Democrats that invent lies about Stein. It seems most Democrats can't handle truths about Harris praising and committing to funding war criminals like Netanyahu & Dick Cheney.
You men Shill Stein? What lies are being told about Shill Stein? In what way is Shill Stein being besmirched, and how can I add to it?
You've got a ring around your lips from kissing the genocidal candidate's ass.
Sounds a lot like MAGAspeak to me.
So being against genocide of Palestinians and Arabic people is now considered MAGAspeak to Democrats?
No. Accusing anyone that disagrees with you (reference: gEnOciDe sUpPoRtEr)of something that’s demonstrably false is considered MAGAspeak.
News flash:
EVERYONE is against genocide bud. You don’t belong to a special grassroots movement of people that keyed in on something that everyone else can’t understand. So drop the smug pseudo-intellectual rhetoric.
No one is buying it. And the evidence lies in the ratios. You’re all being downvoted into dust on a platform that supposedly support your ideology.
I'm sorry. Somehow sending billions of dollars and 2000 pound bombs to a country that is actively engaged in genocide doesn't send the message that you're against genocide. When Kamala loses because she refused to say she'd stop funding genocide, then you'll blame everyone but the genocide supporter.
Cool. Your boy Trump will do FAR worse. But that’s the plan, isn’t it?
I’ll be so glad when you all vanish in November.
No one is vanishing. Trump isn't my boy. The world isn't either Trump supporters or Harris supporters.
Whatever makes you feel absolved of any responsibility and gets you through the day.
I honestly couldn’t care less.
Harris can change her stance on Israel whenever she likes.
And you can vote for her if you’d like as well. You see…. Harris understands shit that you don’t. She has an excuse.
You don’t.
But we both know if it wasn’t your gEnoCiDe accusations, it’d be something else that would stop you. So it’s a pretty moot point.
It isn't accusations it is a ruling by the International Court of Justice and a finding by a large majority of the UN. What excuse does Harris have? Donors isn't an excuse.
I’m pretty sure the UN didn’t accuse Harris of being a genocide supporter. That’s just ignorant leftist that think their smug bullshit is being taken seriously by anyone that knows better.
I can’t take anything you say seriously, so I’m done discussing this with you..
Enjoy your last word.
we can handle them just fine because the fact of the matter is trump would be way worse for Palestine. There's a reason Netanyahu prefers Trump.
Stein would be better by your logic because she'd stop sending multibillion dollar thank you checks to Israel whenever they kill American journalists.
no, because stein is a stooge and has no chance at all of winning anyway. that's the entire point of the article.
Why is she a stooge? You don't like democracy or you scared Kamala supporting war criminals might mean Stein has more of an impact than you'd like to admit?
She is funded by republicans and has no experience in government whatsoever. She is utterly unqualified for running the most powerful country on earth. She literally only exists to take votes from democrats.
Now, now... She did win a seat in the Lexington town meeting in 2005. :)
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jill_Stein
"2005 Lexington Town Meeting
In 2005, Stein set her sights locally, running for the Lexington Town Meeting, a representative town meeting, the local legislative body in Lexington, Massachusetts. Stein was elected to one of seven seats in Precinct 2.[156] She finished first of 16 candidates, receiving 539 votes (20.6%). Stein was reelected in 2008, finishing second of 13 vying for eight seats.[157] Stein resigned during her second term to again run for governor.[158]"
Republicans fund Democrat candidates all the time if they think it will help them. It doesn't mean she is a Republican or has Republican policies. Russians funded Bernie in 2016.
Every other candidate exists to take votes from another candidate. She is against funding genocide in Israel.
People crave a non-establishment politician. So this whole, she isn't the "establishment" thing you got going on doesn't help your case at all. Are you saying she doesn't have experience on being a corporate puppet like establishment politicians do? And that is a bad thing why?
I'm not talking about republican-leaning citizens, I'm talking about the literal Republican Party funding Stein. Trump's personal attorney Jay Sekulow has represented Stein in various court cases around this election.
nice straw man.
I'm saying she literally has no experience with how government works, in any aspect. She's a physician. She has no law degree, no experience in legislation at any level, no experience in administration at any level. No foreign policy experience at all (except dining with Putin). I'd sooner vote for AOC to be president than Jill Stein.
Lawyers defend a variety of people... I'm not sure if you knew that or just thought that there are only Democrat attorneys and Republican attorneys. I guess that may come as a surprise to you.
Joe Biden being Weekend at Bernie's around like Feinstein by Democrats while telling us he's sharper than he's ever been shows that Democrats primary experience is lying to the public.
Jill Stein graduated magna cum laude from Harvard. She studied psychology, sociology and anthropology. To pretend she is inexperienced is laughable. She's highly educated and has shown conviction in her beliefs unlike Kamala who changes whenever her donors tell her to.
Kamala is running around praising Dick Cheney thinking it'll help her election chances and continues to immediately defend genocide everytime she's asked.
People want sincerity & honesty more than anything else, and a populist candidate. You know, popular ideas like turning off the money tap to Israel.
People are tired of being lied to and they are tired of being attacked for not being content with the same old playbook from 2016 & 2020. Each time the establishment Democrat candidates look more and more like corporate neocons.
Give it up bud. The veil is lifted and no one is falling for it.
No I refuse to support people that are pro genocide. It's that simple really. I wouldn't be able to sleep at night knowing that I voted for that. I was going to vote for Kamala but I just can't do it unless she changes her position before the election.
You hopefully won't be able to sleep at night when things get worse because you refused to get your hands a little dirty doing what's best.
I don't like to clean dirty dishes, but it's got to be done sometimes. I'd rather it just go away, but the alternative is much worse. I recognize that doing nothing doesn't actually accomplish anything, as nice as that feels. I have to just get over it and get it done before things get much worse.
I'll sleep just fine because I stood up and was on the side of humanity and compassion, not the one that was so blind that they voted for the person that praises Dick Cheney and says how she'll always support genocide.
Don't worry. I know that you were going to sleep fine regardless. You're likely a decently well off white person. It wasn't going to bother you no matter what. You aren't the people who you are sacraficing, and you're OK with that. That's fine. Don't pretend like you're hands are clean though. You're a part of this, and you have the power to participate in a meaningful way. You're choosing not to so you can feign moral superiority though. That's cool. I see you though.
Thanks for assuming I'm a rich white man to fit your narrative of making genocide easier for you to support. And yes I do sleep better knowing I'm not supporting someone who has made it crystal clear that she'll continue enabling genocide.
Okay… well, either way- at least we won’t have to hear from you all after November… so, enjoy it while it lasts I guess. We’ll all just see you again in 2028 when you push whoever is running against democratic choice.
I'm not going anywhere. You'll be the one to not care about anything until the next election. BTW, it is funny you talk about the Democratic choice in this election.
Your “nO i’M nOt! U aRe!” has the same vibe as “I know you are but what am I?” Which is to say…. Cringy.
And whether you will predictably disappear along with the rest of the idealist leftists that always do once an election is decided- will remain to be seen.
I’ll stick around because I’ll have no reason to hide. If we win, I’ll be here celebrating with everyone else. And if we lose, I’ll be here blaming people like you…
With everyone else.
Exactly... glad you admit, you'll be blaming everyone but the person that was praising Dick Cheney and whenever asked about genocide, her first response is always... "we'll always be committed to Israel."
I don’t give a shit about Cheney. He’s a powerless blowhard. He has zero to do with anyone and no power to commit any thing to reality- aside from him supporting her over a traitorous dementia addled rapist he’s nothing to no one.
… but you know this already, don’t you?
And don’t think we all don’t see you people constantly attack Harris over her accepting support from Cheney, while being starkly silent about all the assholes that support Trump. And for that matter, anything at all that is critical of Trump.
We know what you’re up to, buddy. You can stop now.
That's because Harris is Satan and Trump is my Daaaaddy
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I’m really encouraged by the fact that universalmonk and return2ozma’s posts get heavily downvoted when they push this slop in Lemmy
Trump admits he's a shit bag, Harris pretends she's not.
Hope whatever shareblue is calling itself these days finally stops getting funded when Harris loses.
Trump admits nothing, he just lies and lies and lies and lies and deflects and denies and projects and acuses. What planet are you on that you don't know this? He's one of the least humble or self aware men on the whole planet.
"Trump admits he's a shitbag" is just another big fat lie.
YOU admit he's blatantly a shit bag and then turn right stone and bOtH SideS the whole thing.
There's literally nothing honest about Trump. He's an honesty free zone with an ago the size of a continent, the self awareness of an amoeba and the loyalty of a cosmic ray.
K. The genocidal cop pretending to be a wine aunt still isn't getting my vote.
Because you instead want the worse genocidal racist lying hating minority-bashing blasphemous insurrectionist country-betraying grifter "best king of israel" infantile senile nasty idiot to win. Got it. Two choices: the sane one and the constitution wrecker. You've made your choice. Stop pretending it's because of Harris. It's because you like his racist shit filled diapers.
Just fyi, you're talking to a self-admitted troll. They're not worth your time.
True, true.
Yeah, also, Conservatives are more 'fall in line' voters, so there's less vote splitting on the Right than on the Left. Libertarians do appeal to the people opposed to both eyes in the boardroom and eyes in the bedroom on both the Left and the Right, but for the most part, the GQP follows the 'Vote for the Conservative in the Primary and the Republican in the General' more than we follow its inverse (replace Conservative with Liberal and Republican with Democrat). And for Republicans afraid of a Trump presidency, come join us and vote for Harris. Then maybe go work on de-Trumping your party after they lose with you helping us. ;)
You… do know that the right gets like…. 4x the 3rd party vote compared to the left. Like what you say is 100% false.
Libertarians+constitution got like 1.2% compared to PSL+greens 0.31% last presidential election iirc.
But also, if the DNC wanted the 3rd party vote they could simply… court it… instead of pissing on it? To say they cost the vote when the DNC continually shot Bernie in the face in 2016, using funds meant to promote the DNC candidate to campaign against a Democrat candidate makes it FOR SURE THE 3RD PARTY VOTERS FAULT. NOTHING THE DNC COULD HAVE DONE DIFFERENTLY TO NOT LOSE. THEY WERE PERFECT FOR REFUSING TO ADOPT LEGALIZED WEED, SOCIAL PROGRAMS, MEDICARE FOR ALL, ETC. IN FACT, IT IS GOOD THEY ARE STILL REFUSING TO DO SO AND ALSO REFUSING TO JUST NOT GIVE BILLIONS TO SUPPORT AN ACTIVE GENOCIDE. THAT’LL SHOW THIRD PARTY VOTERS THE TRUE MEANING OF DEMOCRACY!
This was very funny. Thank you!
I like that it's the Democrats fault for whenever these issues failed, and not the Republicans who universally vote against them. Remove every Republican and I bet we start seeing these issues getting passed.
Talking about simply adopting the policy to the DNCs platform, which they won’t. Not about it actually passing, which they still should be able to do but is out of the question when they don’t even want it.