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They line up in front of a courthouse in southeastern France, from morning to evening, and have gathered in the thousands in cities across the country. They hold signs reading, "one rape every six minutes," "not all men but always a man," and "giving in is not consenting."

They chant: "Rapist we see you, victim we believe you."

Women across France are rallying in support of Gisèle Pelicot, a 72-year-old reluctant icon whose husband is on trial in the city of Avignon for systematically drugging her and inviting dozens of men, 50 of whom are now his co-defendants, into their home to rape her over nearly a decade.

The shocking case has sparked what many women in France call a long-overdue reckoning over "rape culture" and systemic sexism in the way the judicial system handles sexual violence.

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[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 week ago (17 children)

not all men but always a man

Pointless sexist bullshit and wrong on its face. I never understood the drive some people have to paint abusive behavior as exclusive to men.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 week ago (16 children)

The number of sexual assault victims in France increased by 33% in 2021 and nearly doubled from 2017, according to a government report. Women made up 89% of rape victims, while 96% of sexual violence perpetrators were men.

Oh yeah, that 4% of sexual assaults being committed by women that are being totally ignored by the media is the REAL problem.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (9 children)

Nice try from an overly quoted study done on bad faith, here is a better one that shows, with sources, that said study is incorrect.

https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/sexual-victimization-by-women-is-more-common-than-previously-known/

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[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 week ago (3 children)

I guess it’s sometimes done in the spirit of forcing men to really consider their actions, because most of the men I know tend to think abusive men are always other men. And we usually have plenty excuses for our own abusive behavior. So it is like saying: “no, stop with the excuses, the problem is you”, in the hopes that this message will also reach its intended audience, ie the many men who are abusive to women in one way or another and, largely, in denial.

But I agree, these kinds of slogans annoy the hell out of me too and are totally not helpful in more ways than one, e.g., when men seek protection from abuse. I guess there are better ways of making a more forceful point about holding men accountable.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 week ago

There's a comedian who told a story, that I feel almost every guy can tell as if it was theirs..

They had that friend in their friends group. You know, the kne always making misogynic jokes etc. Well, yeah, that guy eventually raped someone.

You know where he says it was his, the comedian's, fault? The whole group always laughed at those jokes, or maybe didn't laugh, but definitely didn't dismiss them, didn't lecture the guy, didn't tell him it was not ok.

There's this men's club where misogyny is an accepted business as usual. And it enables deranged individuals.

So, as a man who's aware of the statistics, you can start doing some prevention: shame other men for misogyny.

Oh, and btw, fuck the lady with sign. She's a petty sexist using someone's tragedy to support her hate for men.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 week ago

I don't think that slogan communicates what you're saying here well, if at all

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[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Maybe it was the 50 men that raped this woman?

Women rapists are more rare. And comments like this only serve to promote rape culture. Maybe stop and think of how many women are hurting before you start screaming sexism and then maybe women will listen to your point of view.

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[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Exactly. If anything, signs like these drag the attention away from the actual issue.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 week ago (38 children)

And pray tell, what exactly is the "real" issue?

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