My heart breaks for her. I'm glad she gets to see the support of those around her while going through this. And Jesus fuck, how can you even do that to someone? I just cannot wrap my mind of being able to hurt someone like that, and then to keep doing that, and just go on living life. I'm not religious, but I hope that man burns in hell.
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Husband aside, that's 50 separate people who thought this was okay. Ffs
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'Not all men but always a man' seems to marginalise victims of female rapists, which do exist.
Otherwise, I'm absolutely in favour of rehabilitation, and if necessary, isolation of rapists - of all genders. I hope the court/government can be made to agree
From the article:
The number of sexual assault victims in France increased by 33% in 2021 and nearly doubled from 2017, according to a government report. Women made up 89% of rape victims, while 96% of sexual violence perpetrators were men.
It seems that sexual violence has been hidden in plain sight and downplayed heavily by the police and justice system, or simply socially accepted.
It's estimated 10% of people have been victim of incest, here in France. How can you build something safe based on that.
I don't believe our current justice system allows for proper rehabilitation. Second offense for such crimes are still very high (10%?).
IMHO It's a nation wide educational failure and our politicians aren't really keen on fixing this, for now.
Keep in mind those numbers don't perfectly reflect reality though. Probably a few percents off in favor of women
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Were you responding to something specific I said or just providing more facts?
Just providing more facts on the "all men" plus maybe a bit more context on the situation here.
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Women made up 89% of rape victims, while 96% of sexual violence perpetrators were men.
Oh yes that 4% really really must be stopped.
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not all men but always a man
Pointless sexist bullshit and wrong on its face. I never understood the drive some people have to paint abusive behavior as exclusive to men.
Exactly. If anything, signs like these drag the attention away from the actual issue.
I mean this thread is a good example of that and why such signs are bad
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I guess it’s sometimes done in the spirit of forcing men to really consider their actions, because most of the men I know tend to think abusive men are always other men. And we usually have plenty excuses for our own abusive behavior. So it is like saying: “no, stop with the excuses, the problem is you”, in the hopes that this message will also reach its intended audience, ie the many men who are abusive to women in one way or another and, largely, in denial.
But I agree, these kinds of slogans annoy the hell out of me too and are totally not helpful in more ways than one, e.g., when men seek protection from abuse. I guess there are better ways of making a more forceful point about holding men accountable.
There's a comedian who told a story, that I feel almost every guy can tell as if it was theirs..
They had that friend in their friends group. You know, the kne always making misogynic jokes etc. Well, yeah, that guy eventually raped someone.
You know where he says it was his, the comedian's, fault? The whole group always laughed at those jokes, or maybe didn't laugh, but definitely didn't dismiss them, didn't lecture the guy, didn't tell him it was not ok.
There's this men's club where misogyny is an accepted business as usual. And it enables deranged individuals.
So, as a man who's aware of the statistics, you can start doing some prevention: shame other men for misogyny.
Oh, and btw, fuck the lady with sign. She's a petty sexist using someone's tragedy to support her hate for men.
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Women made up 89% of rape victims, while 96% of sexual violence perpetrators were men.
Ok, so not so men but 96% of perpetrators are men.
This very precise statistic comes from a single study made in bad faith, over 20 years ago. If you want to read a more recent study, with linked sources, feel free to check https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/sexual-victimization-by-women-is-more-common-than-previously-known/
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Let's see how long it takes for rape apologists to show up
I don’t think that happens here? One of the reasons I’ve stuck with lemmy is that it’s relatively nice.
Because the braindead instances get blocked by most, and I love it ❤️
I'd say it (E: not just rape apology, but misogyny in general) only happens a tiny margin less than on the rest of the internet, which is to say it still happens a whole fucking lot, even if they are sometimes a little less blatant with it.
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The commenter probably saw the "Always a man" part of the protest sign and is daring someone to deny it.
It's an unfortunate sign to feature in the main article picture because it distracts from the story. There's no issue focusing on one part of an issue (victimization of women) and not all parts (sexual abuse and rape in general). But denying the larger problem exists is counterproductive.
Women can be victims of women too, though. Look at how many mothers have subjected their daughters to genital mutilation, for example.
I think it’s pretty reasonable to say, “please don’t use exclusionary language that implies some victims are more valid than others”.
I'll take the bait too because I've personally known a female abuser (never did anything to me but raped a 14 year old as a teacher) and it makes me furious that a so-called activist would not only disregard crime that doesn't fit their narrative, but try to gaslight the rest of the world into doing it too.
Pointing out language that excludes a massive number of victims isn't rape apology.
It's an unfortunate sign to feature in the main article picture because it distracts from the story.
Unfortunate but not a mistake. Like anything else in media, their only goal is to sew controversy and drive clicks and "engagement". I can't imagine any other reason why this would be the main photo of the article. I hope and do not believe that this is the kinda sexist bullshit that represents the majority.
Ngl, as a male victim of two different women, yeah it kinda is the majority. Most people would rather categorize me with the abusers because of my genetalia than with the victims, even though I've never victimized anyone but have been myself twice, and when I have a problem with that I'm the problem because "it's mostly men anyway" and "you must've enjoyed it because you're a man" etc.
In my area, the legal definition of rape requires penetration, women can't even be charged with it, at most it's considered "sexual assault." Good luck trying to report it unless you're a minor, if the cops even come, they may arrest you, and if they do arrest her she's unlikely to be convicted of SA, and if she is it's a slap on the wrist, again unless the male victim is -18.
And every time you bring it up you're the problem. Nobody fucking cares at all and in fact you're a bad person for not accepting your role as "defacto rapist" for the crime of being born with a penis.
I'm a man who was sexually abused by a woman when I was a child. If I point out that the sign in the thumbnail is both untrue and is a dangerous oversimplification am I a rape apologist?
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I can tell all of those commenting on "Not all men ..." this: Those women don't give a shit what you think. So 4% aren't men, you know what, it might not be technically correct, but it's certainly close enough.
Also you sound like the "All Lives Matter" folks.
Let it go.
The heck you mean "close enough", 4% is not within margin of error, and even then this is a grave accusation to lump on an entire demographic.
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