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We gotta stop calling software updates recalls. Yeah I get that it’s fun to bash on the Cybertruck but this isn’t really that interesting.
Now that sticky accelerator pedal… yikes.
Recall is a legal term for the car industry which includes stuff like reporting obligations. So if the defect meets the severity level of a recall it should be called as such, even if it is 'just' a software update. Ambiguous terms for safety violations are dangerous and may cost lives.
Recall is also the plural term for a group of Cybertrucks.
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Rear view cameras have been federally required on passenger vehicles since module year 2018 in the US market. So yeah, regardless of the error, it's a recall because the result makes the vehicle noncompliant.
I still think its stupid that the requirements for that didnt require that they have a seperate screen from the dash, im convinced car manufacturers used it as an excuse to put fucken tablets in the dash. Congrats by trying to solve one problem ya made 50 others, especially since it makes it harder to remove the fucken tablet.
I refuse to use the term infotainment except to say that I hate it and want to pour pitch on whoever came up with it.
I can't imagine the threshold here isn't different though. If each of these recalls required hardware modifications Tesla would either hide the data or lawyers would be able to argue they weren't major safety violations. I think it's a plus that many things can be fixed expediantly with software updates and the threshold to do so is low.
NHTSA are the ones who investigate safety issues and issue recall notices. Once they have done that then the manufacturer has very specific legal requirements to follow. Hiding data from them would eventually come to light, and that would be very bad. Look at the diesel emissions scandal for one example. Volkswagen payed billions in fines for that, and a dozen or so employees including the CEO have been indicted. A few have pled guilty and been sentenced to jail.
There are also plenty of dumb, nearly inconsequential recalls on regular cars too. Including things like "place this warning sticker in your manual". That's a recall.
On the one hand I agree, but also just because it can be fixed over the air doesn't mean it's not a major problem.
Plus imagine if a car manufacturer put VERY shitty software into their cars. If a manufacturer has 100 recalls a year, I want to know why. If they have 1, I want to know why.
Just because they are more easily fixed, doesn't mean the recall isn't important.
I’ve had software recalls for Toyotas and Hondas, both of which involved physical recall paperwork and required me to visit a dealer to install the new software.
Just because a software recall can be remedied over the air it doesn’t make it any less of a recall. As others have said, there’s a legal definition to a recall. They are issued by the NHTSA and require specific legal responses from the manufacturer.
Yeah..... But these are multi-ton vehicles and when they crash people die. Unlike when your computer crashes.
I don’t think “the backup camera is a little slow to turn on” is the smoking gun you are looking for though.
You consider 6-8 seconds a “little” slow?!
Someone dumb enough could easily flatten someone backing up with that bug.
I'm sure it happens even with perfectly functional cameras.
Sure, it still happens regardless, it just makes it easier and more likely to happen.
The Cybertruck has no rear view mirror when the back cover is down.
So any reversing requires the use of the backup camera.
The car also accelerates really fast, and weighs 7,000 pounds.
It’s also an $80,000+ car that was preordered by a lot of people without test driving it. So it’s primary driver is someone who makes risky and impulsive decisions.
So a really fast, heavy car that can’t see behind it without a reverse camera, driven by impulsive people makes me think the reverse camera should definitely come up really fast.
There's still side mirrors, no? If you've ever seen a semi, those are 60 feet long, weigh 80,000lbs and back up without a rear view mirror or backup camera. Acting like this is an issue that's going to kill people is a bit absurd.
Semi drivers require a commercial license, and special training. They’re monitored way more closely than your average American driver.
And side mirrors only let you see what’s behind the car to the sides and at a distance, not what’s immediately behind the car. I don’t want some idiot in his $80K battering ram to roll over me because I happened to walk behind his death trap and he couldn’t be bothered to wait for the rear view camera to come up.
Not being able to see what’s immediately behind the vehicle is a safety hazard, especially in suburban areas or parking lots where most people are reversing out of a space with other people walking around.