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[–] [email protected] 22 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (2 children)

What not many people are touching on:

In 2, the owner of the building likely owns the rest of the land as well as the apartment. You are a slave to the owner as he owns the island and your "beautiful view" will either be absolutely not developed at all so it is difficult to use as a park or a source of food without explicit consent from your ruler. No community gardens without tons of power tripping and infighting of course either.

In 2, the owner of the apartment and land can and will bulldoze the entire forest and completely pave it over if there is the slightest hint that he can make more money that way, then jack up your rent for the privelage of living in a hellhole. Conservation of nature my ass. The building owner has a 99% chance about not giving a shit about conserving the rest. They will turn it into monoculture or cattle farming or a parking lot and stores. This post is literally landlord propaganda.

Edit: owns the apartment building, not apartment.

[–] Michal 17 points 2 months ago (3 children)

You're assuming that in 1 you own the property and in 2nd you're renting. A strawman argument if I ever saw one.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 months ago

Most single family homes are owner-occupied. Most apartments are not.

[–] [email protected] -2 points 2 months ago (2 children)

Even if you own your apartment in 2, you still likely don't own the building

[–] Michal 13 points 2 months ago

You don't have to own the building. It's not like a trailer park where you have to lease the land. You pay management fees for upkeep and you get a say in how you want the building managed.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Typically apartment blocks are owned and managed by a HOA.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 2 months ago (2 children)

That's where then fun starts. You "own" your apartment but can't do shit without approval by 20 nimbys. Also you pay into a HOA fund for general stuff.

Owning apartments is the worst of both worlds. Get a huge loan just and still don't get to do with your property what you want. It's "property" commodified and enshittyficated. But what can one do these days? Buy a house? hahahahaha.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 2 months ago (1 children)

It seems only Americans actually have this problem though. Rarely here complaints over here about HOAs.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 months ago

There are European countries that have similar systems for apartment buildings where every unit is owend by a different person.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

enshittyficated

Lmao. This argument isn't worth having.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 months ago

In 1, if there was a workplace, it's likely way farther away from 2, with more limited choices.

Want to do office job as a disabled person in 1? Bad luck, your only options are a few different factories with different kind of workplace abuses, all requiring you to wake up at 4AM, because the factory opens up at 6AM. Disabled? No, you're not, you have all your limbs, you just want to take money from the government to then spend it on luxury cars, and maybe a few months of lifting at the factory will make it "magically go away". Maybe your "wanting to do art" will also be cured, which hopefully got crushed by the good AI, as artists are evil because they don't get cool injuries during their craft.

People were okay with apartments, but then some upper-middle class Karens and their male counterparts started to whine about not having "a kitchen garden" (which none of those fuckers can care about at all, thus becoming hotspots for bugs) and "a place where their child can play" (alone), and who knows, their neighbors could be a migrant/black/Roma/whatever is the current boogeyman at your local area.

Also if you're in the US, you're owning the 1 way less than 2 in Europe, thanks to HOAs.