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[โ€“] [email protected] 1 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

Cursive is fundamentally less legible and harder work for most students to learn.

It's way easier to read for dyslexics as q d b p all look actually different, not just flipped/rotated (which makes them the same thing, try it with a pair of scissors). I don't know what they're teaching in (I presume?) the US, but this is quite legible. There may be instances where it's an undue burden, teachers here are trained to spot that and accommodate, just as they do with dyslexia where you'll get two grades for spelling: One raw, and one with all the dyslexia-typical mistakes (but only those) calculated out.

Pencils, as said, are a good thing: Makes sure that you're not using too much force. Re-sharpening the thing from scratch every other word gets annoying fast. If there's coordination issues then that may be a problem but ultimately it's probably better to bite the bullet and focus on training to not break the lead than it is to hand the pupil a ball point pen because then they're bound to cramp up.

And just because you got me curious I tried to figure out what part of my body I'm writing with -- and TBH aside form "right arm" I can't really make it out because it's all so interconnected and all over the place. I think up/down (the page) is mostly shoulder, and so is continuous left to right, while per-letter left-right and off/onto the page is a combination of underarm rotation and fingers. Never got taught explicitly how to do it, but I remember the primary school teacher occasionally telling kids how to not do it. There's probably multiple ways to do it well.

Oh, and apparently I was wrong: My state did get rid of cursive, then results tanked, now they've re-introduced it, but only from year two on, and the ministry is waiting on data to come in. My guess is that they'll re-introduce cursive from year one. Somehow all the previous generations didn't have an issue using two different fonts at the same time: It's not like our books were written in cursive. I doubt Gen Alpha will have. They may be cringe, but they're not stupid.

[โ€“] [email protected] 1 points 1 month ago

I am from the UK. This idea of states having an influence over their education system seems weird to me, though I guess we might allow something similar with Scotland, Wales, or Northern Island.

As I said we really don't teach handwriting that well. They give kids either ball points or these triangle grip things that are actually designed to increase the force it takes to write. Why? No idea but someone thought that was a good idea to stop people who write too quickly and mess it up. Weirdly that actually helped some people. Even though it makes no sense to me.

It's interesting though that you say cursive is more legible for dyslexic people. I think for everyone else print handwriting beats cursive. Not that that's the issue as it's still perfectly readable when done right. I am talking about people with typical doctors handwriting who can't actually write it properly. I am also talking about the difficulty of the technique needed and how that could be a problem for some students. You say teachers adapt but my experience is that they don't. If making students use cursive improves grades though it might be worth it. I am wondering why that's the case that it improves grades.

Either way I think typing should be much more of a focus in modern education. People type more often than they write by hand, yet there is almost no education on how to use a keyboard. Heck lots of modern school students apparently don't know how to use a computer. I've heard of people going to University and not understanding how files and folders work, because it's just presumed that new generations actually know this stuff without being taught.