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[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (3 children)

Well at least people got educated on left side extremism. I think it puts things in the broader perspective and maybe even someone decided to research these topics some more.

It makes you wonder about communism as a whole. Does it always lead to totalitarianism? Etc

It’s healthy to see all the nut jobs from time to time and reflect on your own steps.
If your views align with the nut jobs for example that makes you wonder hmm something is wrong.

[–] [email protected] 23 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Tankies are totalitarian right winners cosplaying as left wingers. Communism hasn't been in power in Russia since Gorbachev. It's been nationalists since then. They swung. They swung hard. They kept the totalitarianism and got rid of the leftness. I'd have made largely the opposite choice.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 week ago (2 children)

And as many argue, USSR was state capitalism.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

Lenin was actually capitalist libertarian, they won’t tell you that in the history books written by rotten western imperialists but it’s true. You should read The Communist Manifesto.

Moderators please we have a liberal in the comments, I can’t breatheee

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

Been working my way through Richard Wolfe stuff first, then I'll work on the classics. If Wolfe says USSR was state capitalism, then he's a liberal too.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 week ago

I'm totally ignorant here, but uh... Isn't the point of communism to I close state capitalism?

Communism is not Marxism, which afaik really has never been implemented.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 week ago

lenin was pretty good in terms of communism, stalinist russia was very totalitarian though.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I think you are wrong about the right/left thing. Ever hear about the horseshoe theory of politics?

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 week ago

Russia embraced capitalism after the fall of the USSR then became an oligarchy where a bunch of super rich run the whole thing. Socialism is dead in Russia and has been for a long time. The only thing that didn't change is that most people are cripplingly poor. Where have you been for the last 40 years?

[–] Charzard4261 7 points 1 week ago (1 children)

People whose views align with nutjobs think that everyone else is being dramatic.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 week ago

"I've never even seen a tankie on here before!" - an infinite number of tankie fellow travellers

Although, to be fair, they've become much more rare in .world communities over the past few months. It's nice, having only a few morons to wander in and make apologia for war crimes and totalitarianism.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 week ago

It makes you wonder about communism as a whole. Does it always lead to totalitarianism? Etc

considering the answer to democracy is literally "well you can vote one in" as we have recently found out in america.

Yeah probably. If even the most rugged institutions are not impervious to this problem, i think it's fair to safe that no institution is.

It’s healthy to see all the nut jobs from time to time and reflect on your own steps. If your views align with the nut jobs for example that makes you wonder hmm something is wrong.

my rule of thumb for politics is that if you have an opinion it and you are wrong and you should stop holding that opinion. Politics is vastly too complicated for even a lifelong PHD thesis to be capable of understanding. Let alone some dude who gets all his news from idiots yelling at a camera online.

The best thing we can do is to prevent ourselves from getting to extreme before it starts.