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How did this conversation go from “good-intentioned politicians” to whatever might be going on in Iran? Do you even know what’s really going on there? Because I don’t.
Imperial core countries and corporate media feed us a lot of garbage about countries they consider their “enemy,” so you should be skeptical of what they tell us. With that said, I’m sure LGBTQ+ rights stand to be improved in Iran, but I don’t really know if they’re getting better, worse, or remaining the same right now. What I do know is that the US wants to paint Iran in as bad a light as possible, so I wouldn’t be surprised if the media should run more stories about the plight of LGBTQ+ people in Iran.
You then don't see the irony in telling the LGBT "we stand with you" and then going to homophobic nations and homophobic sects and saying the same thing (because they promise help with a certain advancement in awareness)?
That goes along with what I was talking about, about people making deals with the devil (a figure of speech by the way). I'm pretty sure this phenomenon does not need any help from class phenomenon, positive or negative, in order to exist.
The irony of who telling which LGBT people and subsequently going to “homophobic” states and saying the same thing to whom?
If someone understands what you’re trying to say, perhaps they can translate for me.
There is no "which" or "whom". That's implied in the main inquiry. Unless you just wanted to talk about class to someone.
So there is a disembodied conversation going on between two non-entities, or groups of non-entities?
What is implied in what inquiry?
I’ve actually run into you before, in another post, and you didn’t make sense that time, either.
A primary reason that progress is going backwards in many capitalist states is because fascism is on the rise in those states.
Why is fascism on the rise? Is it a meme that just randomly started spreading throughout the imperial core, for no particular reason? No, there is a material basis for it: it is because capitalism is in decay in those states. And fascism doesn’t simply run on vibes: fascist movements are funded by the wealthy, by billionaire oligarchs like Elon Musk and by people who own car dealerships & restaurant franchises. Trumpism: It’s Coming From the Suburbs
Specifically in the US, there is also the ratchet effect, which has been causing politics on the whole to lurch ever more rightward.
And it doesn’t take a Marxist to see what’s going on. Chris Hedges is a liberal who saw it coming 14 years ago in Death of the Liberal Class, long before Trump entered politics.
In any case your answer to the question was, “good intentioned politicians making deals with homophobic devils so to speak in order to save other people.” I don’t think that is a very good answer at all.
Wut. You’re a human Markov chain. A firehose of nonsense and drama stirring.
Did you really just dox someone twenty-fold and dismiss them as an intentional "firehose" of drama/nonsense without any proof/testimony/investigation whatsoever before banning them to get out of a debate? You guys are low.
That person doxes themself all over the internet. They went out of their way to link all their own accounts together.
Show me a single place where they list every one of those profiles.
Whether they put them all on a single page or on a dozen is neither here not there. They’re all intentionally, publicly interlinked. I just started with their links on https://lemm.ee/u/shinigamiookamiryuu profile, and followed the links on those profiles, etc., as anyone can.