this post was submitted on 29 Jul 2024
115 points (97.5% liked)
Programming
17506 readers
32 users here now
Welcome to the main community in programming.dev! Feel free to post anything relating to programming here!
Cross posting is strongly encouraged in the instance. If you feel your post or another person's post makes sense in another community cross post into it.
Hope you enjoy the instance!
Rules
Rules
- Follow the programming.dev instance rules
- Keep content related to programming in some way
- If you're posting long videos try to add in some form of tldr for those who don't want to watch videos
Wormhole
Follow the wormhole through a path of communities [email protected]
founded 1 year ago
MODERATORS
you are viewing a single comment's thread
view the rest of the comments
view the rest of the comments
Not that's what people who can recognize genuine architectural defects and aren't blind fanboys say.
Only to your eyes since apparently pointing out genuine problems is whining. It's okay for people not to like the stuff you like. And no, using a few swear words for emphasis doesn't make someone immature, nor does listing what one has worked with for context.
...you still haven't realised that === is not what I have a problem with have you? It's literally a non issue. In fact, equality in general is a non issue. It's the wonky standard library, lack of proper support for binary operations, serialization and almost everything being an afterthought that I have a problem with. Does it prevent me from using the language and write proper, stable software? No. But it's not good.
Except that amounts to a mere ~180_000 lines of the 3 million. Did a plain create-react-app without Electron, still over 3 million.
Now, since it's impossible to have a genuine conversation if the other party's response is "haha you suck" to any genuine, documented criticism, are you gonna grow up or are you gonna keep acting like an offended 13 year old who can't find a better retort?
That's what people say to people who don't raise valid criticisms but just go on unhinged rants about how credentialed they are.
Wonky standard library? Name your issues.
Lack of proper support for binary operations? Like Jesus Christ you also frustrated by a lack of direct access to the assembly instruction set? Do you know why those arent properly supported? Because it doesn't come up for 99.99% of software developers, and for those who do need to do bitwise math and manage memory directly, you have the entirety of Web Assembly available to you.
As opposed to other languages where the entire concept of functional and async programming were implemented after the first version? Name your specific criticism of how JavaScript implements serialization that you don't like.
Who the fuck cares? Do you know how much easier it is to parse through and find a problem in 3 million lines of JavaScript code then it is to try and figure out what part of the millions of lines of closed source compiled code that make up Java or C# or whatever other language you like?
You're also using a deprecated project, and you're checking against the dev version with dev dependencies, not the final minified version. Oh my god look at how big this Java project is before I compile it, what a nightmare!!1!1!1!
You're the one who came into this thread bitching like a Reddit edge lord about the most popular language and the most successful cross platform development platform in the entire history of programming, I'm the one saying it's no worse than any other major languages and is better than many of them.
But no, I'm sure it's the millions of successful developers and users who are wrong. Everything is shit but you amirite?
When shipping to customers, all code is your responsibility, dependency or otherwise. A bug or a security vulnerability, which aren't rare in the JS ecosystem, is your responsibility whether you wrote the code or not. Customers don't care if someone else wrote it, it's your product, you are to blame. Thus, the less code, the better. Less moving parts also means more stability in general.
People can be successful with things that aren't perfect. It's often a matter of being the first, not being the best. Something can be popular and still not be good, momentum is hard to stop. If JS's own creator saying so in the last few years can't convince you of that, I don't know what will. Flash at one point was the most popular. It was still flawed, and a liability, but I bet that doesn't hurt you as much to hear.
Quite the contrary. I have flaws like everybody else, but at least I don't deflect every single criticism of stuff I like because in can't fathom it not being perfect. It's fine, use it. Maybe one day you'll find a platform that'll make you realize there's better stuff out there.
But I'm done arguing with you. I should have known by the tone of your first reply that this wasn't going to be a real discussion, just you being butthurt because someone said something negative about your favourite language. Go get butthurt somewhere else.
You still havent actually articulated a single criticism that's not a vague generality, after coming in like an edge lord ranting about it like it's the devil spawn.
And yeah bud, all the code you ship is your responsibility, which is why building on open source code that you can fix whenever you need is far preferable to building on a closed source compiled black box like most languages.
Lmao, one salty dev, vs the literal millions of seniors developers and fortune 500 companies who disagree and choose to use it.
Again, if it's a liability name how, if your argument is "oooo open source scary, there's no way to verify it, I'll trust Oracle to give me a closed source compiled library that's sure to be flawless", I'm going to laugh in your face. Supply chain attacks are a problem, they are not an unsolvable one or even a particularly difficult to address one compared to the benefits of open source.
Try and quit bitching about tone and vague bullshit you heard on Reddit and articulate an actual real world problem that you have with it on a day to day basis. You came in here screaming it's shit like the devil's spawn, all I've done is ask you to explain why and point out why issues like equality comparison, converting to 32bit for bitwise operations, and it being open source, are not big deals for most devs.