jeffalyanak

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[–] [email protected] 2 points 11 months ago

@ChrisWere @robert @newpipe

Syncing is fine, but I want to be in control of what is doing the syncing.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

@PriorProject @PorkrollPosadist

All the examples you provided were infrastructure, not social communities, so I think it's a poor comparison.

Instead, I'd compare AP federation to _social_ constructs. Communities, clubs, groups of friends. Even larger constructs like cities or nation states.

In _those_ examples it's clear that limiting association is commonplace and healthy.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

@werewolf_nr

You're right, I don't think it would make sense to put the legal liability on the ISPs.

I think, like the current system, it would be a registry that adult websites would have to sign up for in order to be in compliance with the law.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

@Toasteh Exactly, that's why the system I proposed doesn't require you to submit ID.

As mentioned in the original post I don't think these systems are worthwhile in the first place. My suggestion is just proof that you can still provide reasonable age-gating without sketchy ID systems.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

@TheCuriousCoder87

You wouldn't necessarily have to actually give a CA any details about yourself, just integrate this into the existing ISP portals.

An adult can log into the provider's website and click to generate any client certs they need.

I think this method is maybe a bit _too_ technical (compared to a simple captive portal like you get on public wifi) but I think it would work okay as long as end-users didn't have to go to a 3rd-party or provide any additional information to their ISP to use it.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

I definitely agree that these types of blocking are ineffective and generally do more harm than good, but if governments are going to push for this stuff, it would be good to have a solution that doesn't harm people's security and privacy.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago (2 children)

There are lots of ways around doing a full SSO integration, though.

In the simplest form, the ISP could simply use a captive portal of some sort directing the user to authenticate first.

While captive portals can't serve the correct certificate most browsers these days are smart enough to detect a captive portal redirect and give the user a smoother experience.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

My scheme doesn't require any identity information to be provided by the user.

The ISP already has PII, but that's a risk that already exists today.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

@Senseibu

It might hurt their bottom line, but the big companies operate in so many different markets and I don't think there's any risk of _all_ of them enacting these types of restrictions.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

@BlameThePeacock

It's the US republicans who want to do this, not me, I'm just approaching this as an interesting problem.

As for my suggested solution, the only database would be the list of sites with adult content. No new personal data would be stored about individuals.

I'm not suggesting that ISPs implement photo-ID checks, just a login with your ISP username/password (an account you already have).

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

I don't think there's any risk of _any_ of these schemes killing off internet porn.

The current government schemes all rely on porn companies opting in and on the government/ISPs to catalog all porn sites on the internet.

 

US States enforcing new age verification for adult content—how could this be done properly?

@technology

Seeing the news about Utah and Virginia over in the US, there's been a lot of discourse about how unsafe it is to submit government ID online. Even the states that have their own age-verification portals are likely to introduce a lot of risk of leaks, phishing, and identity theft.

My interest, however, focused on this as an interesting technical and legislative problem. How _could_ a government impose age-verification control in a better way?

My first thought would be to legislate the inclusion of some sort of ISP-level middleware. Any time a user tried to access a site on the government provided list of adult content, they'd need to simply authenticate with their ISP web credentials.

Parents could give their children access to the internet at home or via cellular networks knowing this would block access to adult content and adults without children could login to their ISP portal and opt-out of this feature.

As much as I think these types of blocks aren't particularly effective—kids will pretty quickly figure out how to use a VPN—I think a scheme like mine would be at least _as effective_ as the one the governments have mandated without adding any new risk to users.

What do you all think? Are any of you from these states or other regions where some sort of age-restriction is enforced? How does this work where you are from?

Edit:

Using a simple captive portal—just like the ones on public wifi—would probably be the simplest way to accomplish this. It's relatively low friction to the end-user, most web browsers will deal with the redirect cleanly despite the TLS cert issues, and it requires no collection of any new PII.

Also, I don't think these types of filters are useful or worth legislating, I'm just looking at ways to implement them without harming security or privacy.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)
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