Not a debatebro just disagreed with you and replied because I think you're wrong. You take care too
grandepequeno
joined 1 year ago
It's not stopping fascism, it's just a better state of affairs than fascism, literally the "lesser evil". Stop putting words in my mouth.
Oh I'm sorry I didn't realize you were making a a "lesser evil" argument, very astute point I'll defend the EU (hitler's wet dream) now as the only alternative to fascism
Maybe do something similar yourself instead of tut-tutting people about not posting enough emojis on hexbear.net
Very silly thing to say, I don't care about emojis I replied to opinions here which I disagreed with, if I had agreed with them I wouldn't have
If in, say, Portugal you want to invest more in healthcare (or apply any radical policy) the government can say "the european comission won't approve this budget so we can't do this!", and that's true, the budget would get rejected by the EC and you'd have to come up with a new one, and since "the EU is always right" in countries like these everyone will just bow their heads and go "ok guess the government can't do this thing everyone wants them to do" this is how european politics actually work
Now if you remove the EU, which is an untouchable far-away institution, you have your national government, which is a closer less-untouchable institution.
Yep. But it's either that or perpetual austerity, were I greek in 2015 I would've taken the temporary catastrophe over the infinite suffering
Doesn't disprove my point, the government can still blame the EU all it wants it won't work as well as it does in EU countries
I'm not telling you what to do I'm telling you you're wrong about the EU "stopping fascism"
My only local real leftist org is kinda crap
But if I WERE telling you what to do, I'd say join that one and hopefully talk to people in real life. It's better than thinking about things like "accelerationism"
I agree but there was a lot of leftist support for brexit
I'm sorry brother when I see you use those 3 words in the same sentence I can't help but feel like politics is just an internet game to you, you're not an "accelerationist" you're probably nothing. Good luck
Leaving the EU to get blue passports and do more racism is not going to improve things though. European countries are too small to be on their own against the powers of capital as the rapid dismantling of living standards for common people in Terf Island post-Brexit shows.
That's not the only thing leaving the EU allows for, anything that happens in the UK now is entirely the fault of UK politicians, there's not the EU scapegoat (which is a real scapegoat) anymore which means brits are in a better position to actually change things politically and exercise their sovereignty than any EU country, and that dismantling of standards that is happening in the UK is happening elsewhere in the EU too, except here in EU countries politics can't actually be about changing that since it explicitly means going against european institutions.
It seems like the viable alternative to the EU is some kind of pro-worker European community that doesn't exist yet.
Yeah, which is not the EU. I'm just being facetious when I say I hope everybody leaves I know it's more complicated than leaving and staying, but what the comments here told me is that some, hopefully not european, leftists really think the european working class is better off with the EU than they would be if they fought it. SAD!!!
You are completely wrong, this is equivalent to supporting the democrats and "anti-fascistly" voting for biden.
YES THAT'S WHY IT'S INSANE FOR COMMUNISTS TO BE DEFENDING IT LIKE THIS.
If it shoots down the budget a pro-eu government will always respect that decision because the pro-eu population (which is the majority in EVERY EU country) will agree with that, and if they don't they'll blame the EU and not their governments, so it's always a useful scapegoat.
Political power matters and that "any power" is doing a lot, you haven't dealt with this people, the EU is the chief obstacle for there to be a working class political movement in europe, and defending it because you're an "antifascist" is insane.