ThePenitentOne

People get mad when they have a problem and you provide a solution they can feasibly take part in. As soon as they have any agency/capability to take responsibility suddenly they are unable to.

You act like it's mutually exclusive, when it just isn't. And guess what? Not eating meat and consuming less animal produce is significantly easier than fighting injustice that happens in foreign countries.

As soon as you suggest people stop eating meat, suddenly they have no moral standing or their change won't make a difference. It's just sad. People will hide behind 'personal choice' as if it absolves them of supporting the industry and any wrong doing that comes as a consequence of it. You can't justify breeding an animal into existence for the sole purpose of killing and eating it when it is entirely unnecessary to do so. It's probably the biggest example of injustice in the modern world, next to slavery.

Bringing an animal into the world with the intent of later killing it when it is entirely unnecessary to do so seems a bit wrong no?

People don't want to learn or debate anything. They form an opinion and from that point on stop giving a shit. It's no surprise things end up like this. Too many people are seriously close-minded and ignorant about things, yet their opinion is allowed to equally weighted to another who has put serious effort and thought into their decision. The way of thinking at large is just wrong. People are very short-sighted and easily fall for appeals to emotion instead of taking a second to think rationally. Voting Tory is reprehensible.

All you need to know is most people don't give a shit about anything not directly threatening their way of life in immediate terms. Once you understand how pathetic people are, it becomes all the more obvious why things are allowed to be this way and not change. A lot of people don't even care to put in the effort to learn or expand their knowledge of things at all.

Try to tell people to stop eating meat and reduce their consumption of dietary animal products because of the moral/environmental disaster that it is, and suddenly it's too hard to have empathy.

Once you realise most people don't give a shit about anything that doesn't directly affect or implicate them, you realise why things remain how they are.

They are self-aware, willing to change and learn, and have a rational, logical view of things. It's rare to meet people like that, but they are by far the best people. Someone's philosophy on life is probably the best descriptor of a person.

'You are younger than me and therefore know nothing.' Can't argue with that there.

What is the metric for fairness here? And what version of 'capitalism' are we talking about?

Both. Most people who eat meat would say animal abuse is wrong, all while ignoring their own contribution. A lack of intellectual honesty and logical consistency that leads to moral problems is also anti-intellectual. They would say slavery is wrong because it is prejudice, and unjust for 'xyz' reasons, while also saying 'xyz' reasons aren't good enough to change their mind away from eating meat.