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And I'm already seeing this posted everywhere. Anything to paint AI in a bad light and get those clicks.

It's terrible how many headlines I see that are basically "man puts garbage bag over own head and struggles to breathe. Will these incredibly dangerous devices get you next?!"

There are actual worries to talk about, but I guess you'd need to partially think about the tech to get there. That would be unreasonable.

Does nobody remember how utterly uninformed Conover's previous takes on ai were? And I still know whole communities of people who basically live in vr. They are doing just fine.

Look here if you just want to hate on tech and tech enthusiasts. Don't look here for a reasoned and thoughtful conversation.

Also can we stop trying to paint AI enthusiasts in a bad light by acting like everyone into AI is an NFT grifter?

It's intellectually dishonest.

The way it's usually presented would make you think we have Yann LeCun and Melanie Mitchell in full fratboy drip promoting their NFTs.

This is one thing that makes me excited about AI. An assistant that can filter through countless more obscure papers to find relevant facts or ideas to support, contradict, or inform your work. Perhaps it can help with more advanced peer review as well, since academia has been failing to emphasize and reward greater peer review.

Almost like Amazon should have some responsibility in properly vetting their sellers. This isn't the only case of bad quality bootlegs on Amazon. They have no decent incentive to fix it if they are making more money from it. It doesn't help when the blame is filtered through the smokescreen of ephemeral merchants.

Reality.

what? what part? what "fanboy sources"?

i mean, i'm a fanboy of things like Earl K. Miller's recent presentation on thought as an emergent property.

or general belief in different neural functions in tandem allowing us to react to the environment in 'intelligent' ways

you can see at the end how certain neuronal events can be related to something like transformers.

at what point from amoeba to human to you consider "intelligence" to be a valid description of what is happening?

do you understand how obscure alien intelligences can be?

what are your non-fanboy "sources"?

while this is recognizing that things are getting worse for the newer generations, it still comes across as "i've lived with a silver spoon in my mouth and can't understand why everyone hasn't lifted themselves off the ground by their bootstraps! why are all the kids just deciding to not be able to afford more than basic survival? it's probably the same reason they are all gay bimbos now! they are all just awful, that's the main reason!"

they aren't refusing to live their life because they just don't want to. they are unable to because every damn opportunity has been robbed from them. maybe because there isn't much appealing of a life purely for pushing yourself to the point of pain, exhaustion, and probably never having a free or happy moment until you're on death's door, purely for the hope of... owning a home? oh yeah, and making sure to keep the profit increase for the ultrarich going. remember that the working class hasn't seen any of that trickle down in the past 50 years.

so they are old and have a home now. they still have to keep working and everything else will still be worse though.

maybe they should distract themselves by having a child they can't afford, so that they have a mental breakdown from the stress. it should comfort them knowing they've allowed the cycle of miserable poverty to continue.

This whole thread is absurd.

Chatgpt has a form of intelligence depending on your definition of intelligence. It may also be considered conscious in a very alien and undeveloped way. It is definitely not sentient.

Kind of like having the stochastic word generating part of a brain and nothing else.

You can still shape it into something capable of intelligent and directed activity.

People are really bad at accepting the level of nuance necessary for this topic.

It is useful and fantastic for what it already is. People are just really bad at understanding what it is.

Did I get 64 gigs of RAM to run high param count language models? Or to make high resolution image generations? No, I got 64 gigs of RAM because I need all of the chrome tabs open indefinitely

Had to share a work van with one of these sort for work. I would get an hour of details on how math is just "a trick to make people believe certain things"

Also "Jews are from Saturn"

And "the chemtrails are full of microchips"

There is literally nothing you can do to sway any of their beliefs, because basic reason and logic are the enemy.

Rather, maybe we need to subvert their base instincts in a way they can turn them towards logic despite their preconceptions and inability to process basic information. Kind of like the mobile game market or unethical media companies which have free reign to influence these people for malicious self gain.

The issue is that ethical people are too upstanding to use such subversive means, which means they will ultimately lose out in our current socio-economic ecosystem

I think smart people need to fight evil with the same tools used by evil, until such tools are invalidated.

Legitimately, it's like these people have no understanding of the actual technology.

The other response you've received talked about a very small subset of overtrained images, which makes sense on why they can be replicated. anyone who trained on creating a specific image a million times would be able to replicate that image easily. Even then it takes a lot of luck and effort to accurately replicate the exact image to any degree.

If you are not specifically trying to recreate an overly popular image, then there is practically no element left from any particular image that you can consider represented to any thieving extent.

Considering that it is effectively acting on a pareidolia interpretation of static represented by countless possible prompt and setting combinations, the copyright issue should only really be relevant when people use the tool specifically trying to recreate a particular work. Literally any other paint program would be more effective for that style of theft.

As an artist, in regards to the pareidolia aspect, I do virtually the same thing when illustrating an image. Disney/Warner can already afford as many peasants to learn or recreate whatever styles they want. I can't afford a team of lackeys. I can however use an open source diffusion model to create entirely unique and personally tailored and designed illustrations that suit my artistic objective.

Existing concept of copywrite does not work for this scenario, and if people should argue anything, it should be that wealthy businesses specifically have much more restriction and responsibility in use of tools and in excessive control of the artistic market.

I'm personally excited for a future where peasant artists can also create complex beautiful works using these tools.

Think about ending up with holodeck level of personal creative freedom, and being able to create things in that experience the you can share with others.

The current system already robs and suppresses actual art.

Just like every other aggressive reaction to AI, the focus is misdirected and not actually helpful for anyone in any way.

Worked myself to exhaustion to survive for about 15 years now. I've probably earned around a hundredth of that value.

I'm sure they've worked as hard as I've worked for about 1500 years. Or worked a hundred times harder every day in order to buy this house.

Man, rich people work really hard! I must be so fucking stupid and lazy.