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[–] [email protected] 33 points 6 months ago (2 children)

I just wonder if they'll leave it at this or find a way to roll it out slowly and silently in some places anyway. I certainly hope they genuinly learned from this.

[–] [email protected] 18 points 7 months ago (35 children)

But then you can't call the US a liberal democracy in any way as they aren't hands-off at all. Time and time again they meddle in other countries' business to exert influence and power and to advance their interests.

Israel itself was created by the West as Palestine was a British colony before and the US has since given more support to Israel than they would usually grant an ally. The continuous protection (political and militaristic) makes Israel almost a vassal state of the US. This is the real reason why "liberal democracies" have not reacted much (yet, hopefully).

[–] [email protected] 13 points 7 months ago (4 children)

They only logged the IP. That's metadata. IIRC Apple refused backdooring its phone encryption. That's a lot more invasive.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 7 months ago

Really? I'm not convinced the Chinese government acts in the interests of its people at all. That's probably the biggest reason I can't call it Socialism. Just because government influence is stronger than in the West, the economic system isn't completely different.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 7 months ago

But isn't the means of production still mostly controlled by capital owners? Sure, some industries are influenced by the government, but that is also the case in the West. The plan is certainly more detailed for China, but to me Socialism always meant labor is controlling the means of production. How's that the case when an elitist single-party government influences the capital owners?

[–] [email protected] 4 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Enlighten me then. Means of production doesn't seem to be controled by the party alone. Most of China's economy still follows capitalist principles. Rich Chinese and owners of businesses are still private citizens. Sure, some influenced by the government, some industries very heavily regulated, but China still follows capitalist principles in most cases.

I always thought Socialism means that means of production is controlled by labor directly, not capital owners or an elists single-party government.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 8 months ago

Yup, the "roar that matters" is the one people can hear when you quickly approach the speed limit in the city.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 8 months ago (1 children)

As the life-sustaining places become more scarce, they become more expensive. Your best play for survival is to play the game, amass wealth and afford the trip to Elysium. That's why even the people understanding the problem are part of it.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 8 months ago (7 children)

Let's not call China socialist when a single party dictates larger economic trends in an otherwise competitive global market. It's just not "free" as in free market capitalism.

Otherwise I completely agree with the weaknesses of the western capitalist systems.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 8 months ago

Lol, as all ratings there's biases and simplifications..

[–] [email protected] 1 points 8 months ago

Even the biolab one could be both natural and man made: the virus was found and isolated by biologists studying local bat populations. They then failed to contain it properly (remember how surprised everyone was when they realized how contagious it was over the air?) and it started spreading.

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