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It was already ruled that they failed to sufficiently disclose which information was used and how.

https://www.reuters.com/technology/australia-court-fines-facebook-owner-meta-14-mln-undisclosed-data-collection-2023-07-26/

This is not evidence that they’re using your microphone, and you know it’s not.

I didn't claim it to be evidence for that.

somehow bypassing Google and Apple’s mic usage notifications

Unless some form of hardware notification is hardwired into the device, which indicates cam or mic usage, I'm on the rather paranoid side regarding software notifications. Software is usually much easier to break. I'm leaning a lot out of the window now, as I don't know how secure those notifications are implemented. However, even then there is reason for concern, given that facebook had / has questionable deals with device manufacturers. If they were willing to share personal data with device manufacturers, there is reason to suspect this went or can go the other way around as well.

I don’t know why you keep coming back to trust. [...] That’s not the point.

It is mine. Even though there is no evidence for a surveillance using device microphones itself yet and it could be surprising if they were able to, given the history of facebook, they participated in a lot of rather surprising shit.

Aye. Facebook has been proven to be shady af over and over again.

it wasn’t in secret

Did I misread something? It even says in the title of the linked article, that it was a "secret project".

The evidence is: among other things, facebook has repeatedly violated user's privacy. It would be no surprise if they would also monitor conversations via the microphone. Sure, currently there seems to be no evidence for that. But I wouldn't be so naive to just trust them on that.

Yes. Just another malicious thing facebook does. Surely, they are totally trustworthy in all other regards. /s

Security researchers can and probably have tested for this and found no clear, verifiable evidence, otherwise we would have known.

Facebook snooped on users’ Snapchat traffic in secret project, documents reveal

And it is!

Insufficiently.

Like here in Europe.

It must be a very different kind of Europe than the one I live in.
I live in Germany and regularly encounter such troubles to find ecologically optimal products. Most of the time because there aren't any available for me. Then there is a huge lack of transparency and sometimes of course the price. Although the latter is not really problematic for me, it is for a lot of other people. Those products, which are environmentally detrimental, are usually much cheaper than the ecologically better ones. You are being financially punished for choosing the better alternatives.

"free range" eggs

Despite the fact that a non-plant based diet is worse than a plant-based one in terms of ecological impact, the industry has been subject to a lot of critique due to insufficient regulations towards the treatment of egg-laying hens. Not only that, but also controls are often not conducted, even though it says so on paper.

The problem here is not Bezos, it's YOU

Even if we neglect the ecological irresponsible business practises conducted by Bezos & friends, when it comes to individual ecological impact, wealthy people are usually causing a multitude of the damage which is caused by not-that-wealthy individuals. It seems to be a problem inherent to the lifesytle.

Most smaller delivery vehicles here in the UK are fully electric.

That's cool. However, there is more to electric vehicles which must be considered when we think about ecological impact. (Lifetime, resources, production, etc..) Even if that's given, this alone doesn't solve the climate crisis. Although it certainly seems to be a nice step in the right direction.

Regarding the remaining list: that's surely nice to hear. Still, there are still a plethora of unsolved problems. Even in your country.

And you don't.

How about you don't generalise a whole population?

Instead you ban contraception and abortions.

You must have mistaken me with someone from another country. It might help to be less prejudiced.

And it is!

Insufficiently.

Like here in Europe.

It must be a very different kind of Europe than the one I live in.
I live in Germany and regularly encounter such troubles to find ecologically optimal products. Most of the time because there aren't any available for me. Then there is a huge lack of transparency and sometimes of course the price. Although the latter is not really problematic for me, it is for a lot of other people. Those products, which are environmentally detrimental, are usually much cheaper than the ecologically better ones. You are being financially punished for choosing the better alternatives.

"free range" eggs

Despite the fact that a non-plant based diet is worse than a plant-based one in terms of ecological impact, the industry has been subject to a lot of critique due to insufficient regulations towards the treatment of egg-laying hens. Not only that, but also controls are often not conducted, even though it says so on paper.

The problem here is not Bezos, it's YOU

Even if we neglect the ecological irresponsible business practises conducted by Bezos & friends, when it comes to individual ecological impact, wealthy people are usually causing a multitude of the damage which is caused by not-that-wealthy individuals. It seems to be a problem inherent to the lifesytle.

Most smaller delivery vehicles here in the UK are fully electric.

That's cool. However, there is more to electric vehicles which must be considered when we think about ecological impact. (Lifetime, resources, production, etc..) Even if that's given, this alone doesn't solve the climate crisis. Although it certainly seems to be a nice step in the right direction.

Regarding the remaining list: that's surely nice to hear. Still, there are still a plethora of unsolved problems. Even in your country.

And you don't.

How about you don't generalise a whole population?

Instead you ban contraception and abortions.

You must have mistaken me with someone from another country. It might help to be less prejudiced.

How does that even go together? Being anti-vax and at the same time condemning people for not being vaccinated?

Get your facts straight next time.

This is also covered in others, more recent findings. Want me to dig them out for you?

If you wouldn't buy that shit, Bezos won't be selling that shit and there would be no pollution

Which is part of what I meant by:

"it is mainly due to our modern way of life and production"

But not in such a condemning way as you.
The fact, that you were able to write your comment, shows, that even you felt the necessity to buy stuff. And I am 100 % sure that the device, you used for that, was not produced free of GHG emissions or under ecologically (or even socially) perfect conditions. As bad as this is, this is the case for most people. But did you have a choice? Can you live an average life in our current society without stuff like that? Do you even have the option to choose alternatives?

That's my point. This kind of "you buy, you choose" attribution of causal chains, is surely true to some degree. But imo it's an oversimplification to label it completely like that. I can't even buy fucking organically grown tomatoes in my closest supermarket. So I don't even have the option to choose the better alternative. This also applies to several other basic foods. Yet, I also need them. Most of the times such items are more expensive than the worse ones. The latter is a huge deal for people who really don't have that much money. So they literally can't buy the better options.

The market self-regulates that kind of stuff by itself to some degree. But not completely. And policies worldwide, especially in industry nations, fail to address these issues, thereby fueling the problem. Then of course there are further problems, like a lack of education and awareness about it and so on.

Another thing: how easy do you find it to see which product is the better one from an ecological perspective? How do you know it's not just greenwashing? Do you feel like it's an easy choice?
If so, congratz, you are a lucky one. But for most of the rest of us, that's really not made sufficiently transparent.

Again, something which needs to be regulated.

And then, Bezos and co. could make their whole business conpletely green. Do they want to? Nope. Bezos and co. also could decide not to take their private jets, or live in a private mansion, live lifestyles which cause so incredibly more emissions than the one of average Joes and Janes. And again, they decide against it. But yeah sure, go on making each customer and the whole of humanity responsible.

Not the amount of people are the problem, but their disregard for eco-systems, especially the failings of policies. Humanity managed to survive for thousands of years without fucking up the whole planet. Shit really started to spiral downwards since the industrial revolution.

I bet this is also somehow the immigrants' fault. /s

(Looking at you, right-wing voters in EU. ò.ó )