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It's all wizardry. A long time ago some dudes tricked a bunch of rocks into doing math. So long as you don't let out the magic smoke, you can keep doing math.

Software engineering is alchemy, except you're often trying to create gold from lead for corporate interests. That being said, I enjoy the craft so much that despite being a corporate technomancer, I have still been able to pursue my own chemical marriage.

RF engineering is witchcraft.

Electrical / materials engineering still felt a lot like magic.

To demystify the tech a little, the recommend the book Elements of Computing Systems.

BTW, I am also a Civil Engineer working in Tech. Computers can be pretty interesting at the lower levels, in my experience.

software engineers

You mean Tech Priests?

In some fantasy, I guess lay lines, dolmens, stone circles and the like are kinda infrastructure for magic? Totally agree about the programming = magic, and in a "fantasy" world I worked on for a game the twist was that all the 'magic' was just programming and hacking the old advanced tech computer / satellite network.

The "mages" had some augmented reality type implant that allowed them to call up minority report style screens they could interact with, and give verbal commands. But to everyone else they're just waving their hands through the air in strange patterns and saying gibberish words "sayday spayis slash eih tay say slash".

The wizards had no real idea what they were doing, and researching new "spells" was basically the same as a noob trying get some feature working on a remote Linux server with only two partial and contradictory walk-throughs for an earlier version of the distro. So even if they got stuff working, they rarely understood how or why it worked.

I think it's really interesting to think about how even though computing is generally objective / logical, if you stripped away all background knowledge and added in a bunch of uncertainty (it's hard to communicate with the server and sometimes your commands get scrambled, so even the same command might not always work) then you'd end up in a situation quite like ancient / medieval science where people hyothosise about principles and make systems that are helpful, but don't actually align to what's really happening.

This is essentially the backstory of the Adeptus Mechanicus. Warhammer 40k has proceeded so far into the future and so much knowledge has been lost that mechanical gadgets like dams require priests anointing them with oil and burning incense to use them.

Dying Earth is loosely similar. There’s both tech and magic.

The Saga of Recluce builds the tech and integrates it with magic.

The Book of the New Sun takes the same tack as W40k (albeit written earlier) with far future shit relying on old tech without knowledge.

The Broken Earth trilogy has a mix of far future and magic. It’s my one of my favorites.

Then there's this book: https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/766056.High_Speed_Digital_Design

I know that software developers want to be called engineers. But honestly it is a horrible analogue

Software is honestly almost more of a scientific discipline. Sure it’s applied (things are built to a specific function), but the actual work proceeds much more like a rolling series of compounding experiments.

Computer scientist is a great piece of language that I think software developers should wear with pride.

Also, without a PE role who has legal responsibility for the design, you just can’t call it engineering in my mind. I make my living validating software that other people make. It’s gotten better but 20yrs ago we were expected to release test drugs on instruments running toy grade software. If an engineer designed a bridge with flaws equivalent to lab software that can’t do a linear regression properly they would end up in jail.