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[–] [email protected] 168 points 10 months ago (17 children)

Reading the comments from that article is a prime example of how a cult functions.

In reality this will have a 0,002% impact. Most phone users are tech-illiterate and have no idea how to use their devices. You expect these people to go to a different store? On Android you can have other app stores, why don't you have? Because Play Store is default and all app developers want to be where most users are, not on a 3-4% user share store.

It will most likely be background noise in the first months and everyone will go back to the App Store. The only people that will use an alternate store will most likely be the same ones that use F-droid, so 0,002% of the users.

But hey, it's better to scream how this whole thing is making their devices less secure, because Apple told them so.

[–] [email protected] 54 points 10 months ago (2 children)

It's always about the minority. Just because something fits 99% should not mean this is the only thing in existence, when other ways do not disturb. And one not fulfilled minority there, one not fulfilled there and soon we realise that almost everyone fit in some unfulfilled minority that is not dealed with.

[–] [email protected] 58 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (1 children)

Let's not act like Apple isn't spending millions of dollars in guerrilla marketing campaigns to discredit attempts to open up the ecosystem...

At this point I assume anyone complaining about sideloading, alt browser engines, etc is a paid shill, because the arguments against are completely ridiculous and fallacious corporate speak.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 10 months ago

I've met plenty of apple sycophants in real life. Such a weird thing to base your identity on.

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[–] [email protected] 48 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (1 children)

On Android you can have other app stores, why don't you have?

I do I have a Samsung store. Beyond that, the ability to sideload apps is a huge reason I use Android and IOS sucks. I also have apps I've loaded off of web sites and my own LAN.

[–] [email protected] 37 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (4 children)

Some apps can't be posted on store fronts for one or more reasons.

Side loading definitely has its place and is a welcome change to iOS.

[–] [email protected] 33 points 10 months ago (2 children)

Why is pornhub obvious? Americans are so prude, it hurts my brain. God forbid there are nipples somewhere! But murder is fine.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 10 months ago

Google Play policy forbids PornHub from being allowed. But yet we have web browsers... Idgi

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[–] [email protected] 25 points 10 months ago

Don't forget the apps that get banned because they dare to undermine the store owner's profit by presenting free alternatives to their awful paid versions.

Like NewPipe and the Youtube app that can't even play video's with the screen off.

[–] [email protected] 17 points 10 months ago (8 children)

iOS is also filled with apps that have ads and subscriptions. Having something like F-droid for Foss apps without the nonsense is nice if you need something like a simple pdf reader or even a calculator. IPad has no calculator for example and there's so much crap you have to shift through to find a simple calculator that doesn't have ads or subscriptions.

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[–] [email protected] 16 points 10 months ago (3 children)

This will have impact, on Apple's revenue, which is really what they only care about.

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[–] [email protected] 16 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (3 children)

Tech illiterate Windows users seem to have no problems removing replacing Edge/Bing with Chrome/Google (which, if you've ever tried recently, is quite a painful process - though I suspect it's a lot less painful in the EU where the dark patterns would land them in hot water).

I think the App Store will only be able to maintain it's dominance in Europe if it's a better experience, for both users and developers, than any of the alternatives.

The improvements Apple will make to the store to protect their dominant position will be significant.

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[–] [email protected] 133 points 10 months ago (34 children)

I have no idea why so many of those commenters are anti consumer rights. Android proves that it's not a security issue. Why are they so brain broken that they are actively against opening up their walled garden, like it compromise their apple product purchases in some way.

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[–] [email protected] 109 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (24 children)

This would actually be a big step for many Android users wanting to try out another OS.

I know for myself that sideloading apps is a must for me on my phone, and if an iPhone could do that, it's at least one step closer for consideration.

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[–] [email protected] 61 points 10 months ago (2 children)

Splitting store in two won't get them around the regulation though if both stores have same parent company. Perhaps it will delay EU from punishing them, but they won't get around the issue. EU is not forcing multiple stores without reason. Competition if always good for end users and results in overall better quality of product. Apple doesn't want that because they want to be able to charge whatever they want and you can take it or leave it. Also it has absolutely nothing to do with security or privacy or whatever the excuse people are coming up with. It's just money, the only thing Apple still cares about.

[–] [email protected] 26 points 10 months ago

That's not what the article said they meant.

An EU split that can comply, and a rest of the world split that continues to monopolize the iPhone.

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[–] [email protected] 54 points 10 months ago (6 children)

I would rather have a “all users must have root access to their devices” or all software must be user replaceable integrated into the law. We let Apple do their own thing, but adventurous users could try installing android and such on the iPhone (similar to how the asahi project is making Linux on M series macs a reality)

[–] [email protected] 18 points 10 months ago (1 children)

As shown with Android, even if you have root it's not enough, as it won't let you indefinetly support the device when the firmware and drivers are still secret. Freedom of choice for whatever OS you like (meaning that any OS can make a port) would be safer and more liberating, I thing.

Also, to hell with Android, I want to install Linux on this thing and finally be able to backup all apps, configurations and files via simple "rsync" command or when the screen/touch/battery die install TV-centric OS to at least repurpose this expensive device as new smart TV box :).

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[–] [email protected] 35 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Damn it. The UK is not in the EU. 😂

[–] [email protected] 26 points 10 months ago

The never ending cascade of problems Brexit still drags us slowly through.

[–] [email protected] 23 points 10 months ago (2 children)

Doesn’t the App Store already have separate markets?

[–] [email protected] 27 points 10 months ago (5 children)

Yes, but for Apple's own profit, not the customers. It's the good old 'divide et impera' strategy

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Divide_and_rule

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[–] [email protected] 23 points 10 months ago (14 children)

Moves like this always assume that location equals citizenship. As an EU citizen living in North America, a move like this means that I would not get the remedy that Apple legally owes me (or would owe me if I owned an iOS device)

The main thing I've been sideloading on Android for a decade is a fan implementation of the Dominion card game called Androminion. It was trademark cease and desist removed from the Play Store a decade ago, but you can still get the apk on Github

There's a couple other things. One big gap in both the Google and Apple stores is the complete absence of adult content. I'm amazed there's not more of a clamour for adult apps among either userbase, given that most people don't own a normal computer. Sideloading could plug that gap

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