The purpose of this community is sort of a "work out your frustrations by letting it all out" where different leftist tendencies can vent their frustrations with one another and more assertively and directly challenge one another. Hostility is allowed, but any racist, fascist, or reactionary crap wont be tolerated, nor will explicit threats.
Ahh yes we are Liberals for not wanting to work with white supremacists and homophobes.
Nobody has yet to explain how we can oppose Imperialism through peaceful protests.
Rainer spends 50% of his time tailing "paycheck to paycheck" petty bougies and the other 50% making adventure time fanfiction.
The Lenin quote given at the start is taken entirely out of context. It looks like he just searched for a Lenin quote that would fit his flawed analysis.
Here are a few more quotes from the very chapter Rainer takes his quote from. Note that these are quotes from '"Left-wing" Communism, An Infantile Disorder' which was written after the revolution in 1920.
About the necessity of the struggle against the reactionary leadership of trade unions:
The Mensheviks of the West have acquired a much firmer footing in the trade unions; there the craft-union, narrow-minded, selfish, case-hardened, covetous, and petty-bourgeois “labour aristocracy”, imperialist-minded, and imperialist-corrupted, has developed into a much stronger section than in our country. That is incontestable. The struggle against the Gomperses, and against the Jouhaux, Hendersons, Merrheims, Legiens and Co. in Western Europe is much more difficult than the struggle against our Mensheviks, who are an absolutely homogeneous social and political type. This struggle must be waged ruthlessly, and it must unfailingly be brought—as we brought it—to a point when all the incorrigible leaders of opportunism and social-chauvinism are completely discredited and driven out of the trade unions. Political power cannot be captured (and the attempt to capture it should not be made) until the struggle has reached a certain stage. This “certain stage” will be different in different countries and in different circumstances; it can be correctly gauged only by thoughtful, experienced and knowledgeable political leaders of the proletariat in each particular country.
About working where the masses are:
If you want to help the “masses” and win the sympathy and support of the “masses”, you should not fear difficulties, or pinpricks, chicanery, insults and persecution from the “leaders” (who, being opportunists and social-chauvinists, are in most cases directly or indirectly connected with the bourgeoisie and the police), but must absolutely work wherever the masses are to be found.
Rainer's idea of allying with the movements he proposes is flawed in two parts. First, he doesn't call for the struggle against the incorrect and harmful ideas of those movements. He points out some flaws in some of the socialist parties in the US which do exist but his analysis here seems to favor the reactionary parties over said socialist parties. To me it sounds like he's just trying to send "the masses" to these reactionary movements without considering the level of organization, class consciousness and political involvement of "the masses". The situation is not the same as at the start of the 20th century or at the end of World War 1. The working class then was a lot more organized and various communist and reformist parties existed with actual mass support. Today, especially in the West, this is not really the case.
Second, he doesn't really talk about reaching the masses. He talks of allying and supporting these reactionary movements which he just assumes have some mass support already and he assumes that the support they have is from working class people. Neither of these can be taken for granted.
The movements he wants to support are not actual reformist movements, they don't propose any significant reforms to the system, they barely even propose particular policies that they want to adopt. Reformist movements, while flawed, have historically had genuine mass support. The support of the working class that had at least some consciousness and wanted to systematically improve it's conditions. These types of movement can be useful for communists but again, a proper strategy needs to be made. Blind support doesn't lead anywhere.
Movements like RAWM also aren't working class movements. They fall into a group of astroturfed movements that are supported by various right-wing elements. I don't know much about Cornel West specifically, but from what I saw since he announced his campaign, he isn't really supported by the working classes of the US and I don't think he's really connected with them either. He's a (relatively) privileged life-long academic and is now attempting to approach "the masses" from above. "The masses" didn't choose him so they won't be radicalized when his attempts at "reform" fail. As far as I can tell, he also doesn't really have any reforms in mind, just calls to empty phrases like "truth", "justice", and some calls for policies like "a living wage" which aren't elaborated on at all.
Two very timely short threads by Roderic Day on this "purity fetish" phenomenon:
Thread 1
Thread 2
I love how he takes critique as "more points to try to discredit this project". Something to be "thrown out", rather than actually leveled. This... Is exactly what I'm talking about when I drag settlers for filth. He performs no self-criticism, and his analysis is RIDDLED with WILLFUL blind spots that he paternalistically cudgels his reader into accepting. There will be no grand "project" like he thinks there'll be.
The Mises Caucus will use this "opportunity" to launder reputations they've tarnished online, leap into the electoral landscape, and continue rotting Amerika out like a bad tooth-- and as soon as Shea and the cracker barrel brigade are no longer useful to the Mises libertarians, they'll be cut loose with no pretense of loyalty or gentility, because the behavior of an animal's all those dictator-aspirants know.
"Leftier than thou", that's all his shit reads as anymore. And now that I'm thinking about it? Three guesses; who else do we know who starts screeching about "purity fetishism" around this time every four years?
Yeah I'm not reading an article from someone who is defending Cornel West and the fucking People's Party.
This is Shea anyways, comrades like @[email protected] can tell you of the many, many flaws in his analysis
I'm curious, why is the People's Party flawed?
takes like "MLK Jr. would have hated 'wokeism' from the left today"
Also the founder has serious sexual assault allegations
quite frankly there's more than this I just don't care enough to look any of it up
takes like “MLK Jr. would have hated ‘wokeism’ from the left today”
Came back to read over the newer posts here and holy shit does hearing that take infuriate me, considering the settlers never seem to like when you start bringing up the span of time between the I Have A Dream speech, and his eventual assassination. That span of time where he started listening to the likes of brothers el-Shabazz and Ture. That span of time that spawned the quote "in many regards, the dream that I'd had has become a nightmare". That span of time where Dr. King started understanding that... Non-violent action, while it got in the papers, would not be enough to unravel the Gordian knot of settlerdom.
Then he caught a bullet for it. But surrrrrrrrrrrrrrrre, "MLK Jr. would've hated wokeism". Ohhhhhhhkay.
Oof...
I gotta say I'm glad this community exists and people can be critical of these takes because my day to day life is absolutely saturated with this kind of stuff.