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[–] [email protected] 172 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Cool that average FPS is better but:

The impressive FPS deltas aside, it should be mentioned that, with the exception of Arch Linux, average frame times (measured as 1% lows, in this case) on Linux were generally behind what Windows managed by up to 20%

I feel like worse 1% lows makes this title misleading. Hopefully with time this gap will close.

[–] [email protected] 37 points 11 months ago (1 children)

1 % lows are likely a driver thing (Nvidia calls it "Game Ready Drivers"), with Arch you'll get new drivers (or kernel versions) much earlier, similar to Windows.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 11 months ago (1 children)

... Then why did they get the results that they did in the article?

[–] [email protected] 36 points 11 months ago

The article specifies arch as an exception to that

[–] [email protected] 86 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Death, taxes and this post on Lemmy

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[–] [email protected] 82 points 11 months ago (5 children)

1 day cannot pass without this article getting reposted across various communities.

[–] [email protected] 17 points 11 months ago

Yeah, these are getting really annoying.

[–] GarytheSnail 16 points 11 months ago

I swear people just scroll through lemmy, see a post they like and then think to themselves, "this is cool, I should post this on lemmy!"

[–] [email protected] 12 points 11 months ago

It's okay. Lemmy isn't a wiki. Content is organized temporally. Imagine these conversations as bar conversations (just because one group had a conversation one night, doesn't mean another group can't repeat it the next). If you are annoyed that the algo keeps giving you the same stuff, sort by All and New Comments and you'll find niche communities to subscribe to.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 11 months ago

As someone on Linux, and who thinks performance is generally slightly better on my machine after switching, I totally agree. This post has been old for a while now. Get some more data and then post that new thing or stop posting it.

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[–] [email protected] 72 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Testing done on specific hardware and not a broad spectrum of machines is as relevant as asking one person their political opinion and saying that applies to their whole nation.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 11 months ago (18 children)

Well sure but rephrased it's just "Three Linux distros that embarrass Windows 11 in gaming performance." which to me, is equally interesting.

[–] [email protected] 29 points 11 months ago (8 children)

article title: windows DEAD LAST!

also in the same article: "... When it comes to FPS, the overall leader in testing was Nobara Linux, with Arch Linux and Pop!_OS trailing by 1–5%. Windows 11, however, was only 6% behind Nobara Linux. So, **there isn't a massive performance delta here, **"

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[–] [email protected] 54 points 11 months ago (5 children)

What do the performance metrics look like for the games that won't run on Linux?

[–] [email protected] 36 points 11 months ago

About the same as Spiderman 2 or Ghost of Tsushima on Windows.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 11 months ago (1 children)

you mean the rootkits that won't run on Linux?

[–] [email protected] 36 points 11 months ago (4 children)

When did 'rootkit' come to be a generic term for invasive software? Rootkits are a specific type of thing.

[–] [email protected] 37 points 11 months ago

Anticheats that run in the NT kernel may as well be described as rootkits, especially as they aren't transparent about exactly what they're doing. Then there's the question of what happens if they get compromised

[–] [email protected] 36 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

Vanguard, BattlEye, EasyAntiCheat, Ricochet, etc... all run in the Windows Kernel and most, if not all, have the functionality to run arbitrary code, so might as well class them as rootkits.

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[–] [email protected] 43 points 11 months ago (15 children)

...switching to Linux might be worthwhile for gamers on the move looking to eke out every last drop of performance from the ROG Ally or Lenovo Legion Go.

So they're talking about the ROG Ally and Lenovo Legion Go not a desktop PC or a laptop. Nice clickbait.

[–] [email protected] 34 points 11 months ago (9 children)

I'm on a desktop running Pop and I bet my system performs better than an equal Windows system. These handhelds are actual PCs, bud.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

They are just PCs though...? It's just a different form factor.

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[–] [email protected] 31 points 11 months ago

They're literally just PCs. They aren't some mysterious thing. They're using the same architectures a laptop or desktop would.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

The article talks about those mobile systems, but the actual benchmark on Computerbase tested these on a desktop.

Ryzen 7 5800X

Scythe Mugen 5 cooler

Asus ROG Strix B550-A Gaming

32BG DDR4-3600-RAM (CL18-22-22-44)

Sapphire RX 6700 XT Nitro+

Tested @ 1080p 144Hz, Freesync Off

[–] [email protected] 12 points 11 months ago

Out of touch comment.

Handheld PCs are PCs.

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[–] [email protected] 41 points 11 months ago (13 children)

I still can't get anything to run consistently in Linux after 10 years, and many, many distros. Timber born and Raft currently never open, no matter what. I a huge Linux user but the gamin experience has always been so finicky for me and no matter how much I try it's still unattainable. And even when they run its with a lot of configution and tinkering unless it has native support. I have no issue with that but I'm so frustrated my experience with this seems so diffent than what everyone else is having. I want to delete my windows partition and it still feels so far away.

[–] [email protected] 19 points 11 months ago (1 children)

I'd be happy to help if you'd like I can play 90% or more of my library on Linux. Basically, if its in steam it's a cake walk. I recommend something like Mint cinammon or pop_os all you need is proton really. I can't run games with certain anti cheat like tarkov cause the anti cheat devs don't support Linux

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[–] [email protected] 18 points 11 months ago (4 children)

What have you been doing. Cause for me it's just install steam enable proton and install pretty much any game on my library. Or install lutris login to my accounts and play epic games / gog games. It literally just works

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[–] [email protected] 7 points 11 months ago (2 children)

YMMV of course but I was playing Timberborn just the other day on Mint, on an Nvidia card, through Heroic. Proton seems to have been a gamechanger. I have just made my first steps into switching my daily driver myself. I may have been lucky but all the games I have wanted to play have worked so far. I also have a Steam Deck, which is what has encouraged me that it may be possible.

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[–] [email protected] 30 points 11 months ago

I’ve been out of the industry for a while, but unless Windows was completely rewritten from the ground up in the last 5 years, this doesn’t surprise me. That OS has always been a hot, bloated mess. And no, I’m not a Linux bro. I use another heavily commercialised OS that doesn’t run Windows because I no longer have the energy to care.

An OS written on Unix can outperform Windows? I’m shocked.

[–] [email protected] 26 points 11 months ago (2 children)

I wonder if they did these tests using ray tracing or not. On my AMD 7900xt in Cyberpunk, ray tracing under linux is practically unusable levels of performance compared to windows .

[–] [email protected] 20 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

Safe bet, they didn't. Seeing they're talking about the ROG Ally and Lenovo Legion Go.

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[–] [email protected] 24 points 11 months ago

windows is overbloated garbage

[–] [email protected] 21 points 11 months ago (1 children)

News flash, Windows is garbage.

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[–] [email protected] 19 points 11 months ago

expect more and more of these headlines as linux gaming matures in the next few years.

[–] [email protected] 18 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (3 children)

I recently switched to Linux this year (finally), and my experience has been the same.

Not only that, but in some cases, playing a Windows version of a game with Proton seems to work better than the native Linux runtime.

Edit: I use Arch, btw. (lol jk I use EndeavorOS, which is based on Arch)

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[–] [email protected] 18 points 11 months ago (8 children)

This has been reposted enough to where I'm going to start blocking accounts that continue to post it 😎

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[–] [email protected] 11 points 11 months ago (3 children)

Anyone have a good explanation on 'Frame Time'? This is the first time I've heard of this term and after some quick googling I feel like I'm not understanding why it's worth caring about.

[–] [email protected] 19 points 11 months ago

It's how long it takes the system to render the next frame. High frame times are no good. Equates to lower average fps, and poor player experience. You also want stable frame times. This equates to smooth gameplay and less "stuttering". Anything under 20ms is considered good. 10ms and less is great. Anything over 50ms will be perceived by the player in a negative way.

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[–] [email protected] 11 points 11 months ago (9 children)

I keep hearing and seeing from seemingly everyone that Linux gaming is better basically every month, how it keeps improving and stuff (like the article here)

But for me personally it never did in the last 5 years, whenever I try to step out if emulation and back to windows exlusove games? Its like 5 bullet Russian roulette, if it works at all and doesn't stop working for inexlicitly no reason

What are yall doing to actually make things work somewhat reasonable (default lutris, proton, or ge has never even renowtly worked how well for me, at all)

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[–] [email protected] 9 points 11 months ago (3 children)

Maybe. But it does so in ALL OF THE GAMES!!!

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[–] [email protected] 8 points 11 months ago (1 children)

I've heard that Linux's task scheduler is just much better than windows', so it kinda makes sense that all would beat Windows.

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[–] [email protected] 8 points 11 months ago (4 children)

the linux wars!! lets see who wins. also, its a friendly war, microsoft loves and will support linux

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