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“The rich gazed at their superyachts, and decided they were not enough. The new breed of megayachts, which are at least 70 metres (230ft) in length, may be the most expensive moveable assets ever created.”

“First and foremost, owning a megayacht is the most polluting activity a single person can possibly engage in. Abramovich’s yachts emit more than 22,000 tonnes of carbon every year, which is more than some small countries. Even flying long-haul every day of the year, or air-conditioning a sprawling palace, would not get close to those emissions levels.

The bulk of these emissions happen whether or not a yacht actually travels anywhere. Simply owning one – or indeed building one – is an act of enormous climate vandalism.”

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[–] [email protected] 75 points 11 months ago (3 children)

Better to turn them into artificial reefs if you see them

[–] [email protected] 19 points 11 months ago

Just a little public service <3

[–] [email protected] 11 points 11 months ago (5 children)
[–] [email protected] 28 points 11 months ago (1 children)

You can make reefs out of a lot of things.

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[–] [email protected] 12 points 11 months ago

I heard they like submarines

[–] [email protected] 8 points 11 months ago

compost helps the flowers grow

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[–] [email protected] 7 points 11 months ago

Capsize the rich

[–] [email protected] 69 points 11 months ago (3 children)

This is why I fucking hate the do your part bullshit.

Corporations and wealthy don't have the same pressure or responsibility, but it's us as consumers who have to put all the extra work and thought into changing our routines and habits (not to mention how much more it could cost)

Fuck these fucks. Greed killed the earth.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 11 months ago (2 children)

This is why I fucking hate the do your part bullshit.

Same thing with water usage. Our house had a nice, normal-sized lawn and we basically had to kill it a few years ago when the CA drought was really bad. It was a bummer because our house looked nice, but big picture, I understood why water restrictions were in place and did my part.

Meanwhile, there are 120+ golf courses in the Palm Springs/Coachella Valley area. Residential water usage in the state of CA accounts for like 10% of water usage and I'm over here having to kill my lawn. It was hard to reconcile those facts.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 11 months ago (2 children)

California would probably have plenty of water if they didn't allow the cultivation of thirsty crops in the goddamn desert. Everyone talks about California regulations (there are some silly ones), but what sticks out to me the most is the corporate shit they refuse to regulate.

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[–] [email protected] 5 points 11 months ago

I'm standing over my recycling bin agonizing over whether the plastic thing I've just washed out is recyclable or garbage, all while knowing my city doesn't even differentiate between the two. And then these guys will throw will have a party that has a bigger ecological footprint than I'll have on any year of my life.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 11 months ago

The average carbon footprint in the US is 15 tons.

So the largest megayacht in the world pollutes as much as about 1,500 extra Americans.

Honestly, everyone needs to do their part. Billionaires, corporations and average Americans alike. It ain't gonna get fixed otherwise.

[–] [email protected] 42 points 11 months ago (5 children)
[–] [email protected] 29 points 11 months ago (9 children)

Per person, cruise ships are probably a couple of order of magnitude better than mega yacht… but yeah both are good.

I’d love to see cruise sail ships.

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[–] [email protected] 6 points 11 months ago (1 children)
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[–] [email protected] 33 points 11 months ago (7 children)

seems like the world should ban filthy wealth lifestyle. How should we proceed, any idea anyone ?

[–] [email protected] 14 points 11 months ago

Gee I'm suddenly feeling very hungry

[–] [email protected] 5 points 11 months ago

Dinner time

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[–] [email protected] 28 points 11 months ago (5 children)

Bluntly banning Megayachts seems excessively interventionalist when you could instead ban the fossil fuel engines they use and ban the emissions. Make them pass a smog test that’s no more lenient than a car. Why not effectively force them to be wind and solar powered and thus force them to blow their money on advancing green energy? If that kills the megayacht business anyway, well then fair enough.

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[–] [email protected] 24 points 11 months ago (4 children)

This is just a "feel bad" story rather than an actionable policy suggestion since, as the author acknowledges, regulating these yachts is going to be rather difficult because they can just sail somewhere else. Plenty of countries will welcome them in return for the economic activity associated with being a haven for the super-rich.

[–] [email protected] 20 points 11 months ago (3 children)

let them sail somewhere else then

[–] [email protected] 5 points 11 months ago

without rich people

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[–] [email protected] 7 points 11 months ago

I've wondered about that. Ireland, Delaware, and Bermuda are all notorious tax havens, but are any of them actually any better off than they would be otherwise? I get the feeling that the benefits are going to a very select handful of people, and not, uh, trickling down.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Could regulate the manufacturing and maintenance/repairs.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 11 months ago

Or deregulate the torpedo industry

[–] [email protected] 4 points 11 months ago

They can't sail somewhere else if you sink them.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 11 months ago

And when they're moving, they're highly inefficient as well. With a displacement ship hull designed to part the water their top speed is limited by their own length. A ship cannot overtake its own bow wake and with a length of let's say 70 meters you end up at a top speed of about 20 knots. Which isn't slow, but also not that much faster than cargo or passenger transport (maybe going 10 to 15 knots).

While a cargo ship is mostly longer and could theoretically sail faster, it is designed to be economical. It gets an engine that is most efficient at a certain speed, for example 12 knots at ahead standard, the propeller is cut for efficiency etc.

A yacht is designed to be comfortable and fast. It gets powerful engines that combust however much they need to combust. The propeller may be designed to produce less noise or vibration instead of being most fuel efficient.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 11 months ago

Watch them manage to ban canoes and write exemptions for the mega yachts. We know that's exactly what will happen.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 11 months ago

One thing I personally hate about megayatchs is how boring they all look. They look basically the same, white with black, and its just super boring. If I were going to be an evil billionaire flaunting my wealth, I would build somethin cool, like a 1:1 scale replica of the American WW2 Tennessee-class battleship. Sail around the world with 14 inch guns, and rule the high seas, making every yatch cower before my mighty steel ship.

Then sink because its 2023 and I'm a greedy billionaire who neglects things like basic maintenance and common sense.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (1 children)

Little surprise, then, that megayachts have been associated with crimes including money laundering, prostitution and illegal drug use.

This comment works against the author’s credibility. You don’t need to spotlight controversial laws against the personal freedoms of consenting adults to make megayacht owners look bad. It’s like saying “the rapist also smokes marijuana!” And isn’t prostitution and drug consumption fair game in international waters?

Second, the fact that yacht owners can choose which country’s flag to sail under – and can fly a flag of convenience if they choose – means it would be extremely difficult to enforce such a tax.

That’s interesting. Though I didn’t know they had to pick a flag. Surely they could buy a tiny island and create their own country with their own laws. There’s a book on how to do that.

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[–] [email protected] 9 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (1 children)

Too bad the ones with the gold (and the megayachts) make the rules.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 11 months ago

Which is why violence is the only reasonable response.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 11 months ago

No one human has any more claim to this orbiting rock than any other. Just that some people have acquired more means of persuasion to get what they want.

Those yachts probably aren't too difficult to commandeer.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 11 months ago (6 children)

I'm surprised I don't hear more stories about them being targeted by pirates.

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[–] [email protected] 4 points 11 months ago

Its not like tax havens already exist, adding real havens to their offerings wouldn't be the issue I guess.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Asking in earnest.. international water.. is the no laws thing for real? What's stopping some modern day Karli Morgenthau Green Peace types from blowing these boats up?

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