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[–] [email protected] 110 points 11 months ago (2 children)

Chrome doesn't "leak" your data to Google, it intentionally sends it directly to them. That's like saying my toilet "leaks" human waste into the sewage system.

[–] [email protected] 39 points 11 months ago

That sounds accurate though from a fluid standpoint.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 11 months ago

Under communism there are no leaks, there are only drains as a leak is a superfluous drain brought on by bourgeois decadence, indeed, by dress coats with neither knee nor elbow patches, unwilling and unable to apply duct tape.

[–] [email protected] 38 points 11 months ago (2 children)

But privacy and data security are political

[–] [email protected] 16 points 11 months ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 10 points 11 months ago

I would think the argument would be that you choosing the superior product is not a political decision, other than the viewpoint that everything is politics.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 11 months ago

Yes, but it's not up for debate, period. Fuck chrome.

[–] [email protected] 22 points 11 months ago (2 children)
[–] [email protected] 19 points 11 months ago (1 children)

He’d just say: get whatever is better. Firefox is a better deal, you don’t give data and get a browser

[–] [email protected] 9 points 11 months ago

Yeah it's not like he was some unhinged LinkedIn type that thinks you exist to generate profits.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 11 months ago

He'd probably just say something about absolute advantage 🤷

[–] [email protected] 14 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Yea but I wish Firefox didn't survive completely on money from Google

[–] [email protected] 20 points 11 months ago (2 children)

Do you donate money to them monthly?

[–] [email protected] 20 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (1 children)

If I could, I would. Sadly being from North Africa makes it hard for me to donate to my favorite FOSS projects. There are many restrictions and even getting a credit card that's usable internationally is a pain, and it only gives you an amount each year you can use online. Not to mention having a really low currency and bad economy would make even a trivial donation feel like a sizable portion of your income. My comment wasn't a dig at Firefox but a lament. It shows how complex things are. The FOSS and privacy oriented option has to rely here on Google having enough money to give to it. Google having enough money relies on data mining. So the monetization of privacy-respecting option relies on other users letting go of their privacy to Google. While Firefox is a superior option, it is worth seeing how ultimately we are still fucked. Even the FOSS option survives through ad revenue of another company. This highlights the problem of FOSS monetization that needs to be solved. Firefox should learn from Thunderbird.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 11 months ago

That's actually a very good point. There aren't that much big FOSS projects that can survive just from donations.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 11 months ago

There's some gripes around that, actually, as donations don't flow to Firefox but to the other stuff the foundation does with the profits they earn from Firefox. In fact Firefox development is done by the corporation, not the foundation, so they can't even send money there (at least I assume you can't funnel money from non-profit to for-profit corporations in the US, that would be nonsensical even for their legal system). It might fund Firefox indirectly, though, e.g. awarding funds for a FLOSS SSL library which Firefox then uses but stuff like funding a UI framework or such probably won't fly because it's not web.

It's not that the stuff they fund is bad, it just ain't Firefox. Also they have quite some administrative overhead (30%). About 1% of what they spend on that stuff comes from donations, the rest is income from, primarily, Firefox, primarily by selling the default search engine spot -- different ones depending on market.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 11 months ago

Wie need a Marx and Adam conover Fusion ai cannon event 196 do your Thing <3