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[–] [email protected] 259 points 11 months ago (1 children)

This is actually a super fascinating example of the way data can be displayed in a technically correct way to lead the viewer to completely invalid conclusions.

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[–] [email protected] 157 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (12 children)

Ackchyually

Fever is not 100F. A fever is defined as 100.4F. Why 100.4 when 100 is a much easier to remember and handle number? Because fever is defined in humans as 38C, and that converts to 100.4F.

[–] [email protected] 30 points 11 months ago (3 children)

It's been a while but I think they tried to establish 100F as the average human body temperature. But after they established that baseline turns out they were off by 1.4 degrees and couldn't change it.

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[–] [email protected] 114 points 11 months ago

“Inches in 8.33 feet”

“Mm in a foot”

Fool, the scientist in me is infuriated. Good work, mate!

[–] [email protected] 89 points 11 months ago

This is one of the most stupid things I've ever seen. Good job.

[–] [email protected] 70 points 11 months ago

Saturday Night Live actually had a good sketch about this a few weeks ago:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JYqfVE-fykk

Washington: "We fight for a nation where we choose our own laws... choose our own leaders... and choose our own systems of weights and measures.

I dream that one day, our proud nation will measure weights in pounds, and that 2000 pounds shall be called a ton."

Rebel: "And what will 1000 pounds be called sir?"

Washington: "Nothing. Cause will have no word for that."

...

Washington: "Distance will be measured in inches, feet, yards and miles. 12 inches to a foot!"

Rebel: "12 feet to a yard..."

Washington: "If only it were so simple. 3 feet to a yard."

Rebel: "And how many yards to a mile?"

Washington: "Nobody knows."

Rebel: "Ok, how many feet to a mile?"

Washington: "5280, of course! It's a simple number that everyone will remember."

[–] [email protected] 60 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (15 children)

wait 100 F is only 38 degrees?

Wow that's funny. I've seen so many people complain about extreme heat below 100 F.

I get that what you're not used to is difficult but like 38 degrees is a relatively ordinary (now) summer day for me.

From how people spoke about it I thought 100 F was more lile 45

[–] [email protected] 44 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (7 children)

I think that if the air is moist enough 38 degrees will overheat the body and kill it. Because the human body sweats to lose heat.

So some regions on earth are probably less pleasant when the temperature rises. While other regions are more tolarable for humans.

So there might be a reason why some people complain that they suffer from the heat. There could also be other reasons like their living conditions. A lack of ac and water, or living in a urban heat hell.

Lets not trivialize experiences of people who suffer.

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[–] [email protected] 25 points 11 months ago (8 children)

Fun fact. -40 degrees is the same in both C and F, and is also called "January" where I live.

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[–] [email protected] 54 points 11 months ago (12 children)

fuck BOTH these date formats.

ISO-8601 OR DIE.

[–] [email protected] 26 points 11 months ago (2 children)

Good morning on this beautiful day, 2023-W47‐2T10:26

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[–] [email protected] 41 points 11 months ago (6 children)

USA's measurment system dosn't make any senses.

[–] [email protected] 45 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Shut up. If you don't know how many buckets there are to a hogshead, that's not our fault.

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[–] [email protected] 18 points 11 months ago

That's medieval units for you. At least they use the same units in the whole country, which is progress compared to how it used to be in the rest of the medieval world. They just didn't take the last step to modernity.

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[–] [email protected] 35 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

1776-07-04

Sorting algos all agree.

[–] [email protected] 33 points 11 months ago (1 children)

I hate how wrong, yet accurate that is.

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[–] [email protected] 27 points 11 months ago

Lolz. It's funny because it's so stupid.

[–] [email protected] 24 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (4 children)

I think the two points missing from most debates are

  1. The imperial system does a damn good job at measuring things the way a human would. A foot is roughly the length of a big foot. A single degree farenheit is just big enough that you could guesstimate it with enough practice. If the temperatures are negative, you dump sand on the roads instead of salt.

  2. It's like seven units of measurement in a trenchant. You never have to convert gallons to cubic miles. You never have to convert from dots to angstoms, and nobody has ever had to convert the surveyors mile to the nautical mile. It feels schizophrenic because claiming it's one singular system is like saying Italian, French, and Portuguese languages are all regional dialects of Europeanese.

My point isn't "it's not a bug, it's a feature", I'm saying for the average non-scientist there may be a logical reason why we like it so much

[–] [email protected] 36 points 11 months ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 16 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

No no. The rest of the world is constantly out of sorts on what common measurements are. It's like how monolingual non-English-speaking people are constantly aware they're not speaking the natural language of English.

/s

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[–] [email protected] 24 points 11 months ago (23 children)

Tbh I don't really get why people get upset about mm/dd/yyyy vs dd/mm/yyyy. Is it a little weird? Sure, but personally, saying "July 4th, 1776" feels as natural as "the 4th of July, 1776". The former is more formal, the latter is more casual.

[–] [email protected] 76 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (2 children)

People don't get upset about saying the date in whatever format. They get upset when you write it in that format without specifying, so that you don't know if 07/04/1776 is July 4th or April 7th.

[–] namingthingsiseasy 24 points 11 months ago (2 children)

I love it when someone sends me a message like this:

Hey there! What are you doing on 4/5?

????

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[–] [email protected] 49 points 11 months ago (4 children)

One word: Ambiguity. We need to either have a standard and stick to it, or a small handful of standards that cannot be confused for each other. DD/MM/YYYY and MM/DD/YYYY can be confused for each other, so the nonsensical MM/DD/YYYY should move over and make room for DD/MM/YYYY, or we should drop both and just use YYYY-MM-DD.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 11 months ago (1 children)

ISO 8601 ALL DAY EVERY DAY BABY

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[–] [email protected] 14 points 11 months ago

ISO 8601 for life.

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[–] [email protected] 34 points 11 months ago (13 children)

It's not about saying it. It has to do with ordering it by size of time unit. Like I don't write the time as 43:12:19 to denote 43 minutes and 19 seconds past midday do I.

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[–] [email protected] 27 points 11 months ago

The best date format is ISO 8601 anyways.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/ISO_8601

[–] [email protected] 23 points 11 months ago

ISO 8601. 1776-07-04. Everyone else is a heathen.

[–] [email protected] 23 points 11 months ago

but personally, saying

I don't understand why it matters how you say the date vs. how it's written with slashes.

If someone asks you the time, and you look at your watch and it says 11:45, you could just answer "eleven forty five", but depending on the context you might just say "It's noon" or "It's almost noon" or "It's a quarter to noon". 11:45 is how you get the information into your brain. How you process that information and how you pass it on depends on the context.

The best date format is clearly ISO-8601, YYYY-MM-DD. In that format, US independence day is 1776-07-04. But, you don't need to say it as "seventeen seventy six, seventh month, fourth day". You can say "July 4th, 1776" or "The 4th of July, 1776".

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[–] [email protected] 20 points 11 months ago (2 children)

Another fucking imperial versus metric meme, never seen this before. Most of us use metric already, shut the fuck up

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[–] [email protected] 17 points 11 months ago (27 children)

The temperature measurement is true though. F describes the temperature scale that humans interact with much better than C does.

[–] [email protected] 42 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (41 children)

Kind of, but not really. 0F doesn’t mean anything special in relation to human interaction, it relates to the freezing point of some random salt and water mixture (not seawater). 32 is a random number for the freezing point of freshwater which humans do care about, and 212 is nonsense for boiling temp of water which humans also care about and routinely use. The only part pertinent is that 100 is close to, but higher than human body temperature, but not quite where it counts as a fever… just the temperature of a sub-feverish human… how is that helpful! Sorry I really don’t care for the Fahrenheit system and I’m prepared to die on this hill

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[–] [email protected] 30 points 11 months ago (21 children)

F describes the temperature scale that humans interact with much better than C does.

Only because you grew up with it.

I have only had the temperature described to me in celcius so Fahrenhite makes no sense to me.

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[–] [email protected] 19 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (21 children)

The fever temperature, maybe. But the rest makes more sense in C. It's so much easier when 0C is freezing and 100C is boiling. It works with cooking. Counting in increments of 5 or 10 also works for weather.

<0C = below freezing

0-10C = cold

10-20C = cool (sweater or hoodie)

20-30C = t-shirt weather

30C and above = hot

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[–] [email protected] 16 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Mother tell the children not to check the temps. Tell the children not to read my books what they mean what they say.

Sorry i read Danzig so I though of the band

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[–] [email protected] 15 points 11 months ago (1 children)

WHAT THE FUCK IS A KILOMETER 😡😡😡😡

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[–] [email protected] 15 points 11 months ago (2 children)

Americans saying that F° is a more human and relatable temperature measurement, how many times have you been to Dantzig in the 18th century again? Do you even know where Dantzig is? Because i've seen water freezing quite a few times before.

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[–] [email protected] 14 points 11 months ago

1776-07-04 gang

[–] [email protected] 14 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (3 children)

Hard agree with metric for the most part. I forever stand by Fahrenheit for temperatures you experience, and Celsius for science. I don't want to have to use decimals in my everyday life, but that's just me

And really, K is the ideal temperature unit for scientific purposes, since there's actually a hard starting point, rather than picking an arbitrary state change at an arbitrary pressure of a kind of arbitrary compound.

[–] [email protected] 35 points 11 months ago (4 children)

The measurement for temperatures you experience really does not matter outside of what you're used to, do you think non-Americans get confused about how cold 6°C or 23°C is?

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[–] [email protected] 20 points 11 months ago (5 children)

Celcius. Water freezes at 0 and boils at 100

Pretty good frame of reference

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[–] [email protected] 15 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (2 children)

I don't want to use decimals in my everyday life

Don't you use decimals for prices already?

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