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[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago (11 children)

I have about a dozen dead wd white labels, all clicked/faulted right around the 3-5 year mark. (Out of 41 disks across 3 servers).

Looking back, the small discount from shucking was not worth it in long run. These are subpar drives.

Just my personal two cents.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

I have three that don’t even power around anymore for no reason when I can’t figure out why

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

2/8 for me at about the 5 year mark.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

If you bought those all at once, sounds like a bad manufacturing batch.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

I have 2x8TB, 2x10TB 2x12TB, 2x18TB and 14TB, all shucked. No issues. the 8TB's are at 6 years powered on too.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I think you have environmental issues at play. That failure rate is incredibly abnormal.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

I agree. 2x6tb, 2x10tb, 8x8 going strong for 6 years 24/7 operation now. All easy store shucks. I just installed 8 18tb from server parts deals in my new NAS as well no issues a few weeks in.

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[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

Yeah before shucking got popular the white labels were helium filled and the 14tb and 10tb drives required the 3 pin tape mod on all my evga and Corsair psus. I won’t be buying wd to shuck again. I’ve had good luck with seagate expansion drives which are actually labeled exos or ironwolfs which are supported with firmware updates from seagate. Warranty claims also isn’t an issue I worry about with seagate.

I’m coming up to the 4 year mark on my wd white labels and they’re a hassle.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

I have 8 WD whitelabels that are all around 5 years old. None dead yet but I may have just gotten lucky so far. I'm going to buy 2 of these to start replacing the old ones.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

Honestly at this point I'm buying used drives. I have redundancy anyway, and if I get a 50% discount for buying used and have to buy 10% more drives for extra redundancy, that still comes up Milhouse.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

This is all anecdotal evidence.

I’ve got 8-8TB, 8-12TB, and 3-14TB drives (all white label shucks) bought between 7yrs ago and now. The 8TBs were all bought over 5yrs and no failures. I’ve had 1 -12TB die recently, it was at the 3yr mark.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

So for someone who currently relies on external drives, you wouldn't recommend this? Would that be all WD easystores or just the 18tb? I've still got a ways to go before migrating to internals so I can't really afford much more than the $200 thus far

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[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

so are these drives worth it? I mean the price is nice but is the quality worth it?

I'm interested but don't want something to die out. I suppose my other question is what is normal life expectancy if 4/5 years is considered bad.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

Meanwhile the same 18TB is $499.99 CAD in Canada...

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

Don't need this... ok I'll buy just 1

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

Do these have the 3.3v pin issue?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

I bought two. One to give me room for another 900 movies on Plex and another to back them up. I should be good for awhile.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Sigh, I just bought the 14tb last weekend. I could return it and buy this though…

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[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

$11.11/TB, pretty screaming $/TB right there

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

That's what I did first too haha 😂 anything below $13 is worth investigation!

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

Anyone know the exact model of drive?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I really don't need to know this...

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

yeah id get it for future data things but idk what i need it for

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Off site backup for your existing data, in case of disaster.

Sorry to burn $200, but you'll thank me later when disaster strikes... living in an area where five neighboring cities all burnt to the ground in the course of 24 months (in the three worst wildfires in California history, back-to-back-to-back)... I have experience here.

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[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Hoohoo, $400 CAD up in the great white north. a whopping $50 off lol.

We had the 14TB one onsale for $240 last week which wasnt too bad.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

Is there a https://shucks.top/ for Canada?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

That was a Seagate 14tb external, not a WD.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Ugh just bought two 14TB last weekend for the same price…

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[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (3 children)

I'm in Canada. In August, I bought the WD easystore 14TB for $299 (Best Buy). The current "Black Friday" price is $399.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

Wow I bought something there a few days ago and it was way cheaper than the current "sale" too. Pretty sleazy.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

Err, the current black friday price for the 14tb WD easystore is $239 CAD at Bestbuy.ca and being matched by others and has been ongoing for several days. The thread for the deal is many pages long at redflagdeals.

For those not in the know we have a website in Canada, extremely popular called redflagdeals. I don't think I am allowed to post the full link. Want to know about any consumer level deal as well as millions of other things - it is the place. The Hot Deals forum section is a daily staple in the lives of millions of Canadians.

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[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

It is somewhat tempting, but I bought six 18tb drives a few years ago. I have already replaced half of them. My nine 8tb drives have been much more reliable.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

FWIW WD is having a "buy 2 18TB Red Pro drives for $549" sale right now

https://www.westerndigital.com/products/internal-drives/wd-red-pro-sata-hdd?sku=WD181KFGX

$25 extra for a Red Pro drive & not having shuck seems like a good value to me

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

Where I live I can't even get a 4TB one for that price

I hate my country

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

18 TB? Amateurs.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

Just ordered 3. Thanks for the posting.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

What a fucking deal!

if I didn't have a 16TB version, I might go for it.

I actually quite regret buying it earlier cause damnnnnn.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

Absolutely don't need it, but I want it.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Are these ok for colder storage use that may get pulled and check maybe 2x a year?

Thinking about buying 2 and shucking them

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[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

i stopped shucking with last years 18 tb seagate exos from server parts deals for 194 each but still buy externals for back ups. are the 18 tb wd externals particularly unreliable? i have good luck with wd externals and i have a whole shelf of them. only 1 12 tb died with in 2 years and had to be rmaed. had some 8s and 3tbs die but at the 5 plus year mark and i was phasing them out anyway. i still have 3 tb elements that still worked last that checked

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

What drive is inside?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

About 275 Canadian Pesos for those keeping track. Wish we had the prices you guys south of the border seem to get!

In the past I've given up buying locally and instead bulk ordered drives in the US and shipping to a US address, then package-forwarding them over the border. Saved quite a lot, duties on HDDs aren't that high!

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

Very tempting, but the reliability is concerning me a lot

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Should I buy this or wait for a better deal? I was waiting until Black Friday season to get a new hard drive

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

According to the Best Buy webpage, this IS the Black Friday deal.

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