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[–] [email protected] 31 points 11 months ago

IMHO, they’re getting ahead of the regulators before it gets imposed on them without contributing to the standard.

A hard cutover to present day RCS would be a giant pain in the butt and a potential experience downgrade for Macs and iPads.

Google basically controls the encryption protocol for it, and RCS still requires clients to be mapped to a phone number.

[–] [email protected] 25 points 11 months ago (2 children)

I agree with the article but I wouldn't be surprised if Apple still decided to shut down Nothings chats anyway. It's pretty damn cheeky how much they copied the iPhone design and now trying to get imessage as well.

Not to mention this would potentially compromise security of everyone who communicates from an iPhone to a Nothing Phone.

[–] [email protected] 46 points 11 months ago (4 children)

Not potentially, it would 100% compromise security. You have to sign in to your Apple ID on some Mac mini in a server farm somewhere that Nothing has control of.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

Yeah it's definitely compromised on the Nothing phone side but I was thinking more of the IPhone users supposedly encrypted messages being stored at Sunbird when they likely wouldn't even know they weren't direct.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 11 months ago (1 children)

IIRC Nothing doesn't even have control over it, they only have a deal with Sunbird to make this work

[–] [email protected] 3 points 11 months ago

Wow that’s even worse!

[–] [email protected] 7 points 11 months ago

So it's not even actually an iMessage app. Cute.

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[–] [email protected] 19 points 11 months ago (5 children)

It definitely has nothing to do with Nothing. They are just using this to get attention. It's pathetic really.

They are probably struggling for sales of their overpriced weird looking devices and needed some way to remind people they still exist

If you're considering the Nothing 2, I advise you to rather look at the OnePlus 11, a far superior phone at a similar price. Especially on black Friday

[–] [email protected] 13 points 11 months ago (2 children)

OnePlus software is hot garbage now. Buy Pixel.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 11 months ago

I was going to say.

What's a phone that's inherently better than the Pixel in terms of software?

Hardware-wise, any phone with a smaller screen, an audio jack, a notification led, an SD card slot and a replaceable battery worked be better than the Pixel.

But in terms of software, I guess if there is one OS variant that would allow me to turn the wifi on/off with a single tap would win me over. But usually, variants get in the way with their modifications.

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[–] [email protected] 8 points 11 months ago (4 children)

Wait- OnePlus is good, actually? Last I heard was massive disappointment in the company

[–] [email protected] 5 points 11 months ago

No, it's not.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

It's not the same company as day one... Now is owned by Oppo. So basically is a Oppo phone that is for sure. And if you are looking for those super open phones to unlock add customs roms... Look another way.

For other stuff... Idk I have one it works well for me and it was a much cheaper alternative to Samsung or iPhone and with latest Snapdragon and plenty of ram and good hardware. Cameras idk if others are better I barely take pictures and usually I don't care a lot for the quality.

And the Chinese fast charging thing they have is amazing. (Also supports USB c pd quick charging although much slower)

[–] [email protected] 1 points 11 months ago

All the reviews I've seen praise it. It may not be the One Plus of old but as far as phones go it's one of the better one's.

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[–] [email protected] 1 points 11 months ago (3 children)

Idk if calling it pathetic is fair, they put together and announced this very complex thing before Apple announced RCS.

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[–] [email protected] 15 points 11 months ago (2 children)

RCS won't change the bubble colour though?

RCS is just a newer standard isn't it? Replacing sms? But iMessage isn't sms or RCS.

It's like on signal, prior to them fucking it, when someone sent an sms it would come in as normal and a signal message would be encrypted.

[–] [email protected] 28 points 11 months ago (3 children)

Anyone who thinks this is about the color of the bubble is either misinformed, or 14 and a bully.

No one sane actually cares about the color. It could be pink, purple, green, red, blue, whatever, and people would still have the exact same problem, being that RCS is not supported, and SMS/MMS is shit in comparison.

[–] [email protected] 21 points 11 months ago (10 children)

It's less about the bubble and more than group texts and multimedia are notoriously botched between Android and iOS. The color of the bubble tells Apple users that they should expect a worse experience.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 11 months ago

The funny thing is that it is the Apple phones making it worse intentionally.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 11 months ago

Not a big thing but in the days before iOS 5 and iMessage came around, all bubbles were green since it was SMS only.

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[–] [email protected] 9 points 11 months ago (1 children)

It's branding and that is very powerful, something like 80-90% of teens have an iphone.

That said having functionality that integrates well is a massive step but the bubble will still be a thing because people love status symbols.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 11 months ago (2 children)

The survey you're quoting was that 90% of teens said they wanted an iPhone.

I have teens and know a lot of them right now among actual hardware they are still in 50/50 iPhone-Android at least among my kids' friends.

Teens say they want brand-name shit all the time but reality is that most of them are toting hand-me-down hardware from their parents.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 11 months ago (1 children)

The survey I'm quoting does not say that, what I said is an accurate reflection of the survey results.

"87% of teens own an iPhone; 88% expect an iPhone to be their next phone; 34% own an Apple Watch"

But I didn't cite it so partially my fault. Here is the link https://www.pipersandler.com/teens

Your comment is anecdotal and incorrect, this is why facts are important. Hand me down hardware can still be an iPhone.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 11 months ago (3 children)

This is probably a monkeypaw wish, but I almost wish my daughter was old enough to need a device. I have like 3 that are 1 generation old (long story) and she won't need anything like that for close to a decade.

Is there a good place to sell used phones and recoup money?

[–] [email protected] 2 points 11 months ago
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[–] [email protected] 2 points 11 months ago (1 children)

The RCS that is being pushed out is one controlled by Google.

They've been very open that the intent of this is to sell ad space via spam messages you wouldn't be able to block.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Definitely my main issue with "RCS" it's all controlled by Google.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 11 months ago

Apple has been very specific that they won't be using Google's version of RCS, they'll be implementing the spec and then leaving it up to your carrier.

In the US most carriers do use Google's implementation but your carrier can already send your unblockable SMS messages.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Meanwhile Beeper, doing the exact same thing as Nothing for iMessage for several years already:

*crickets

[–] [email protected] 6 points 11 months ago

The difference is the EU coming up quickly and nothing making it much more public than what I've seen from other companies like beeper

[–] [email protected] 9 points 11 months ago (1 children)
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[–] [email protected] 7 points 11 months ago

It's literally nothing. In fact Nothing's announcement is nothing. It can easily be blocked by iPhone and them announcing it so is just going to encourage Apple to do so.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 11 months ago

Maybe they knew it was going to happen and tried to capitalize on it.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 11 months ago

https://lifehacker.com/tech/nothing-phones-imessage

Not sure how accurate this is, but I saw this article yesterday and thought I'd share for awareness

[–] [email protected] 5 points 11 months ago

Is it the old tale about causation vs correlation?

[–] [email protected] 3 points 11 months ago (2 children)

I find it odd that people care about this so much. I personally don’t know anyone who uses the default messaging on their phones for communication. My messages app is just security codes and ads.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 11 months ago

In the United States they do

[–] [email protected] 5 points 11 months ago

a lot of us do, especially in my country

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