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Another update and possibly a solution for some case where posts were not properly deleted. Seems I jumped the gun on this and the restores haven't been intentional - at least not in this particular case.

There is a limitation in the popular Powerdelete that apparently prevents mass editing. Here is a link to a new version with a build-in delay and some other alternatives:
https://www.reddit.com/r/ModCoord/comments/145fico/comment/jnl4xmr/

There are other reported cases where manually deleted post reappeared or other scripts have been used, so this doesn't solve all issues but explains how posts that were both edited and deleted withPowerdelete weren't properly deleted and reappeared after subs went back live.

Update: As some have pointed out: the restores can be rollbacks from the server issues or post haven't been properly deleted due to subs being private during blackouts. Many have experienced the same issue, I can't explain how this happens. I'll just run the script again, try the GDPR request and delete my account.

Also worth noting: according to the ToS Reddit can actually do whatever they want with existing content, apparently we agreed to this when signing up.

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[–] [email protected] 61 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Worth noting is that a number of US states also have strong protection laws. So, delete you comments manually and then, if you're really trying to ensure that they delete your data, submit a data removal request that cites your locale's law on data removal.

Theeeeeen in 6 months or so, send a data retrieval request to make sure they followed through... and report them if they did not comply. Might as well make them pay for that data if they can't follow the rules.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Assuming that this is, in fact, not legal and if they have money that can be gone after, I assume that someone may start a class action suit. In theory, they're worth multiple billions, so...

An individual probably doesn't care much about whatever harm is done, as the damage is too small. But this is the kind of thing where a lawyer can walk away with a big payday by aggregating cases of many users and then getting a percentage of any payout.

I am not at all certain that it is not legal, though.

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[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago

In the US, indicate that you’re in California for the strongest legal option.

[–] [email protected] 43 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (3 children)

This could be worse than anything else they've done. If they claim they own the data, are they then not responsible for it like newspapers? Is it in their terms and conditions they are free to do whatever with posted information, do they have the rights to edit users comments but in doing so become a content provider and therefore responsible. Kicking mods out doesn't land you in court this seems high risk to be manipulating content. Doesn't matter why it was deleted or edited it was deleted or edited who gets to decide what version to restore. Either you are hands off or you own the data and are responsible for it and upheld to media standards.

Edit: found a snippit of the terms and conditions in a German GDPR thread, It appears it is their terms and conditions that after you post it they can do with it what they like, even adapt it. Either way that's not a reason to be gone.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 year ago

ToS like that does often not mean anything, they can write whatever they like but it doesn't mean they can legally enforce it. So if you are an artist posting a painting you made, reddit can't just say 'oop, it's ours now' same with text

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[–] [email protected] 28 points 1 year ago (2 children)

This is shitty of them to do but this is what people have been trying to tell us since the dawn of the internet. Nothing on the internet is EVER truly deleted

[–] [email protected] 36 points 1 year ago (4 children)

I think they may underestimate EU's response here.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago

DSGVO take the wheel

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[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I recently made a browser extension that deletes your reddit posts or comments. It's not quite as advanced as PowerDelete yet but it's easier to install and I'm actively developing it: https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/bulk-delete-reddit-posts/nbfdoajmaaohkohdnbpjakamhcaaleco?hl=en&authuser=0

Let me know if you try it!

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[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (3 children)

I’ve seen comments suggesting it’s something to do with PowerDelete. I used Shreddit to overwrite and delete mine and they’re still gone.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 year ago (4 children)

I deleted mine manually using the edit > delete on each comment individually and mine came back.

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[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

If this is not a bug, it's pretty wild. I don't think this is even compliant to GDPR as for European users unless there is legal obligation or for archiving in public interest, scientific progress etc. I have a hard time seeing protection for Reddit here as it's just a social news site, there's no way around that. It's not a bundle of research papers and the police hasn't come knocking on their door asking them to recover content.

See The right to erasure (Article 17 & 19).

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Likely not the popular opinion here; but I’m not going to go through the trouble of re-deleting any posts they might have restored. That’s just additional frustration for me. I’m not going to go over to Reddit and provide them additional traffic to go look at something I did write on their platform at one point. I’m just moving on.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago

I think they're creating enough trouble for themselves anyway just by constantly shooting themselves in the head. Also moving on is probably the least good thing for them. Losing users gradually will bleed them to death.

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[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago

Just wait a bit then delete your data. They can't keep an eye on it forever.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Has anyone tried phoning a GDPR focused lawyer firm? I just did a google and they offer a "free consultation" I would like to get the facts 100% before raising my pitchfork.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago

Noyb.eu is the nonprofit you are looking for.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

wow I just checked and all my deleted comments are restored (used the power delete suite)

jokes on them, I’m petty enough to sit here and manually delete everything

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[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago

There's certainly no chance this will backfire...

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Wow, out of everything that’s happened involving Reddit over the past few weeks, this to me is the most damning and deserves the most attention.

I’m really curious to see how they try to spin this in the next PR piece and what the reactions will be.

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[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago

Warning, someone on reddit mentioned this is a known bug of the application used

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago (3 children)

So, so, so glad I deleted my entire account. This is so unethical.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 year ago (1 children)

As I understand it (and I may not!) deleting your account leaves all your comments in place, but without your username.

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[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 year ago

I'm sorry to say this but, they probably restored all of your posts too. It will just say "deleted" as your username but the posts and comments will be in their old place.

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[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago

GDPR laws take the wheel

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago

What the actual fuck?

This really is getting worse by the minute..

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

looks like my comments deleted before blackout started are still deleted, so did they restore only more recent deletions?

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago

Possibly, but several people reported some old post have been restored as well, some deleted a long time ago.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago

So... They've basically just admitted that deleting your posts is bad for Reddit.

Keep going, guys.

And spezi (as we lovingly refer to you in our household), expect lawyers.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Holy damn. I deleted all my comments and my account ~a week ago. I don't even know how to check if they restored something. 😠

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[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago

I believe this is illegal for European (under GDPR).

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago

This just feels really shitty to me at like a basic level. The rest of the shenanigans were just your typical shitty corporate stuff. This feels a bit more like it could have pretty large ramifications.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago (4 children)

That is such a shitty move. Forcing subreddits to go back up is one thing, but as a european this feels very wrong from a data ownership standpoint and I'm not sure it's ok in the GDPR rules?

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago (5 children)

I think we should actively keep track of Reddit restoring user's content without people's permission. Screenshots, timestamps, everything. Monitor it all.

Maybe if Reddit go ahead with their API change whilst treating their users like such disposable crap, we could reach out to the EU to inform them of Reddit's GDPR breaches. Maybe that'd lead to their new revenue from API charges disappearing into hefty EU fines.

Update: Maybe there's going to be some loophole about actually having to use the data deletion request via Reddit's UI for there to be an actually GDPR breach though thinking about it. Going to ask around some Law friends for advise

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[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Holy damn. I deleted all my comments and my account ~a week ago. I don't even know how to check if they restored something. 😠

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago (3 children)

I overwrote and then deleted all of my 14 year comment/post history and it came back complete. I hate to say it, but my guess is that it'll all get restored.

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[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago (6 children)

That's awful. I wonder if there's a way to automate deleting all of our posts and replies—and repeatedly run it on a schedule via a cron job or something, maybe once an hour or something. And let it run until their API becomes locked down.

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