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[–] [email protected] 149 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Fuck this argument but packing boxes requires more skill than flipping burgers?

[–] [email protected] 62 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Maybe they think it's more physically taxing than flipping burgers, but I don't think that holds either. Standing all day in a crammed hotbox doing repetitive handwork is awful.

[–] [email protected] 21 points 1 year ago

Both are harder than the other in different capacities

[–] [email protected] 33 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Real

I spent a summer working at FedEx. Super fun job. But putting boxes on trucks is not a job that requires skill. Neither is putting stuff in those boxes.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 year ago

Putting boxes in trucks take a bit of skill if you don’t want it falling on top of you. You have to build with natural Ts to keep the boxes stable or else those columns you just built can easily topple. Keep in mind that those boxes come down the conveyor in all shapes and sizes and the speed they come can be unrelenting.

Source: I was a UPS loader when i was younger.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago

No it doesn't, but "unskilled labour" is just a term used to underpay people anyways. My job in fast food was way more difficult than my office job.

[–] [email protected] 43 points 1 year ago

Skilled labor... lol

[–] [email protected] 35 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Packing boxes is not skilled labor. Yet even burger cooks should make a living wage.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 year ago

I always thought skilled labor was anything that took either vocational training (AC repair, mechanic), a trade that had an apprenticeship (electrician, plumbing), or a college degree (geo surveyor)

E.g. any job that required special training, proof of proficiency in a skill, and experience.

Skilled or not people need to be able to make enough money to literally live.

Either cost of living prices have to go way down or pay up. Minimum wage hasn’t kept up with inflation and that’s just an issue we need to deal with.

[–] [email protected] 34 points 1 year ago

Is that "skilled labour" packing delivery boxes? Where did you study? /s

[–] [email protected] 32 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Skilled Vs unskilled labor is just capitalistic bullshit to pin the working class against each other. All labor takes skill and should be respected

[–] [email protected] 15 points 1 year ago

I mean, doctors and nurses are for sure skilled positions. They should probably make a little more to justify all of those years of skill learning.

Doesn't mean cashiers should starve, but it's okay for them to be payed not as much.

And each should stand up for the other when they are being mistreated.

[–] [email protected] 20 points 1 year ago

Most people don’t view packing boxes for Amazon as skilled labor either. They’re the same as burger flippers in their eyes.

[–] [email protected] 17 points 1 year ago

I've had great burgers and terrible burgers, so it seems to me that making burgers is skilled labor.

[–] [email protected] 17 points 1 year ago

The real war is class based it always has been. Everything else is a distraction.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Person is clearly a teenager or young adult straight out of school with zero work or life experience.

Thinks that they're special because they can pack 20 boxes an hour when their target is 15.

Won't be long until they realise their company doesn't give a shit and fires them for being 2mins late twice in a year.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

All things aside if your not 5 minutes early your already 10 min late...it applies everywhere for me even showing up for work

[–] [email protected] 14 points 1 year ago

PS Burger flipping is skilled labor. Also, watch The Menu

[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

I love the argument that people who do some jobs are allowed to have a comfortable life while those who do other jobs don't. It highlights how wrong it all is, that work must be done but whoever does it has to be miserable.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago

It's easier to shit on someone and make yourself out to be better than it is to genuinely care and have to work towards the betterment of your fellow man

[–] kn0wmad1c 10 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Right, be mad at someone for thinking that their job should pay their bills instead of the CEOs that hoard all the money.

[–] [email protected] -4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I wouldn't go around just broadcasting my complete lack of knowledge of the financial or business world like that, but that's just me.

[–] kn0wmad1c 5 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Where am I wrong? Genuinely curious.

During the golden age of American economy, corporate tax rates were sometimes as high as 90%. This resulted in corporations giving back to their employees or investing in research in order to further their products. This allowed for the basic worker to pay their bills working just one "menial" job. CEOs and head of corps made a lot of money, but the gap was much smaller between exec and grunt.

Now, because corporations pay little to no tax, the profit sharing goes straight to the execs and shareholders.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago

He should team up with the fry cook to cook Bezos than pack him in a box then have someone else in the exploited proletariat transport him somewhere remote maybe a trucker or a ride share driver.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago

So the sentiment in the reply is real.

The very notion that any job, be it blue collar or white collar, gets looked down upon is apart of the systemic "you're not good enough" strategy to squeeze more blood out of stone. A ditch digger vs a fast food employee? It's come to a point where you're not supposed to take pride in your work, but strive to become deeper engrained in the system, where success is assured - like a moth to a flame.

People need to get their priorities straight regarding safeguarding their best interests, and it's not about turning against your neighbour. The idea is lunacy and disempowers everybody but those who profit off it.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago

The people who complain that "burger flippers" shouldn't get paid a living wage are the same people who loose their minds when they have to wait more that 3 mins for thier McDonald's order

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago

Shit anyone working for less than $20 packing boxes is getting scammed cause I know for a fact several places offer more than that. It just goes to show the importance of having a union to bargain for higher wages.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago (2 children)
[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)
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[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

Wonder how this guy feels about the garbage man making more than 16/hr with great benefits and retirement plan?

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

Divide and conquer.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

Just like the movie Parasite, the working class fight each other 😔

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

I think he is being sarcastic.

Judging from the skilled labor comment.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

Because packing boxes takes skill?

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