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[–] [email protected] 11 points 11 months ago

What growing up without a present dad does to a mf.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 11 months ago (11 children)

A true gigachad, indeed. XD I have a genuine question. What would one's motivation be to help the vulnerable within anarchy?

[–] [email protected] 37 points 11 months ago (1 children)

The genuine desire to help out a fellow human. Laws don’t inherently lead to achieving that, and I do so hope your morals aren’t so flexible as to be reliant on laws to remain upheld!

[–] [email protected] 1 points 10 months ago

I remember one time a Christian friend was asking how I have morals when I am an atheist. I just try to form values that make logical and emotional sense to me based on my experiences. I don't need a god threatening me to do that.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 11 months ago

Anarchy accepts that each of us will only contribute as much as we are willing and capable. There's no hierarchical force to make us do anything we don't agree to of our own accord. My motivation to help others comes from a natural human compassion for others. And that's why I surround myself, by my own choice, with others who are also compassionate. When I need help, I'm certain my friends and family will be there for me. And the way that others help out is in accord with their own preferences. I expect others to know their own boundaries, and I try to respect those boundaries. So to answer your question, maybe that vulnerable person is someone you care for, for reasons of your own. Maybe they introduced you to your life partner, and you are grateful for that. Maybe when you were vulnerable they helped you. Maybe you have chosen to help every 3rd person in need, because that's how you do things. So let me ask you, what motivates you to help the vulnerable? Is your motivation only transactional? Do you only help others who are "above you" in some hierarchical sense?

In thinking about your question I did some reading, and came across this quote:

“If you have come here to help me then you are wasting your time, but if you have come because your liberation is bound up with mine then let us work together.”

— Lila Watson, aboriginal activist

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anarchy

https://theanarchistlibrary.org/

[–] [email protected] 11 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (1 children)

I'm gonna give the selfish answer: mutual aid.

Help others and it'll benefit you in the end, that's why we evolved to live in complex communities.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 10 months ago

That isnt selfishness. It's community building.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

Besides it just being the right thing to do?

Well, you might end up as one of the "vulnerable" at some point, for reasons out of your control(disease,accidents, etc), and thus need help yourself. Now, who will others wanna help more, the guy who was always trying to help others in need, or the dick that couldn't be bothered?

[–] [email protected] 8 points 11 months ago

I help the vulnerable. I am on the left.

I do it because I have empathy and solidarity.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Why do we help people under capitalism?

[–] [email protected] -5 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Tax breaks. But the amount of money shielded from taxation is much more important then any incidental "help" that occurs. Same with non-profits or other foundations.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Oh. I'm not fancy enough to itemize so I'm not sure why that would incentivize helping others.

[–] [email protected] -4 points 10 months ago (1 children)

It doesn't, that's the point.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 10 months ago (1 children)

I help others because it's the right thing to do.

[–] [email protected] -4 points 10 months ago (1 children)

That's great if the help someone needs can be addressed by an individual. What happens if it requires a society like say growing enough food for a village? Or for something more germane, how do you help homeless people under Capitalism?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 10 months ago

I guess we work together as we're ethically obligated to?

[–] [email protected] 7 points 11 months ago

Why would the motivation need be any different from helping the vulnerable under capitalism?

[–] [email protected] 7 points 11 months ago

Shared humanity and an understanding of mutuality. That individual may not help you later, but when helping is just what you do sooner or later when you need it someone will help you when you need it

[–] [email protected] 6 points 11 months ago

Understanding how "societies" and "common interests" work?

[–] [email protected] 5 points 11 months ago (2 children)

looking forward for you to ask that same question next time, ignoring every explaination people provided

[–] [email protected] 3 points 11 months ago

Why the hostility? I was genuinely curious when I asked the question. Not everyone is good-natured.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Why would you think they'd do that? And why do anarchists get so mad when you ask what to do about bad faith actors who want to break their robust volunteer network?

[–] [email protected] 3 points 11 months ago

Plenty of experience seeing the same names answer the same questions over and over and over again like a buggy MP3 player stuck playing the same buffer ad infinitum.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

The answers here should put you the right track to find more reading but you could also post this question over at [email protected]