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Former President Donald Trump was fined $5,000 by a New York judge on Friday for violating a gag order not to speak about any members of the court staff – and was warned twice about possible imprisonment.

“Donald Trump has received ample warning from this Court as to the possible repercussions of violating the gag order. He specifically acknowledged that he understood and would abide by it,” Judge Arthur Engoron said in his order Friday.

“Accordingly, issuing yet another warning is not longer appropriate; this Court is way behind the ‘warning’ stage.”

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[–] [email protected] 99 points 1 year ago (1 children)

See that, they fined a billionaire/millionaire $5k, he’s finally facing consequences for his actions. We got ‘em!

[–] [email protected] 46 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I think that's the standard fine for the first offense. Plus, the violation was not removing something from his website that existed before the gag order, not something he did after.

The judges are following standard procedure so he can't appeal things when he is sent to jail.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 year ago

Thanks for the sane response. It's frustrating watching the wheels slowly grinding

[–] [email protected] 56 points 1 year ago (3 children)

I could pay that.

What the fuck.

[–] [email protected] 32 points 1 year ago

Ain't oligarchies fun?

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago

Legal for a price!

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[–] [email protected] 54 points 1 year ago (1 children)

"Ok, don't do it again. We really, really mean it this time."

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago

In a sternly written letter

[–] [email protected] 40 points 1 year ago

That's it !?!

[–] [email protected] 37 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Imagine if you got $5,000 every time Trump said something stupid.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago

How to solve world’s hunger in two easy steps; make the rich pay every time they say something stupid. The second step is the hardest; actually collect the money.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

I wouldn't mind for all the fuck twits I have to listen to repeat his stupidity for the last decade

[–] [email protected] 37 points 1 year ago (3 children)

At least it wasn't just a warning, there was a fine attached, but that's like fining your average middle class person like 25 cents.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Apparently it has to ratchet up, from "inconsequential" to imprisonment, specifically to show the courts increasing frustration.

Otherwise the defendant can claim bias

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

That’s Trump’s secret, though; he always claim bias.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 year ago

"would the defendant please put a quarter in the contempt jar"

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 year ago

Only if I could go out and ask my friends and family for the money so I didn't actually have to pay the $0.25.

[–] [email protected] 25 points 1 year ago

Lock him up! Lock him up! Lock him up!

[–] [email protected] 23 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (4 children)

A lot of complaining on here about the size of the fine or the fact that Trump isn't in jail yet, or disparate legal treatment for rich people. Let's think through the implications of putting Donald Trump in jail for this, of all things. If he gets put in jail prior to his trial, I think it'd be better for all of us, and for keeping him in jail, if it happens due to him willfully or maliciously violating a gag order rather than due to an oversight or incompetence among his staff. It's coming y'all, be patient.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 1 year ago

I see the fine as both a warning and a lure for Trump. The court will step up the punishments, of that I am sure. And they started with a, for him, neglectable fine. He and his fanboys might laugh about this, but it could easily lead to prison for the next time he's fined - he now had ample warning from the court that he will be punished, and the next time it will be a repeat offence.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 year ago (2 children)

If his staff is incompetent he should hire the best and the brightest, or do the work himself.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 year ago

He can no longer afford the best and brightest, and they’re too smart to accept “trust me, bro” as a guarantee of payment. Additionally, he’s not used to doing things himself; he’s used to having underlings do things for him.

The only people who will work for him now are sycophants and/or people who are motivated by some sort of personal gain. In other words, he’s surrounded by incompetent, greedy losers. Heh heh heh.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

What? Donald Trump doesn't know how to operate a website, and few competent people are willing to work for him. None of this changes my argument that if a former president is put in jail, let's have it be because he did something willfull or malicious

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago

Donald Trump doesn’t know how to operate a website

"Someone told me I need pipes for the website. We need to get the best pipes. Do they come in gold plate?"

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago (3 children)

If they're avoiding this hard to put him in jail what makes you think he'll ever get a guilty verdict. All this dancing around makes me believe he'll never be convicted, or at most it will be a slap on the wrist.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

How are they "avoiding hard," in this instance?

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

$5000 is a typical fine for first-time violation of a gag order. They are neither avoiding putting him in jail nor eager to put him in jail.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

How is standard procedure "avoiding hard"?

They have to play it perfect so trump cannot appeal based on bias or mistreatment

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago

Aaaaaaaany day now.

[–] [email protected] 21 points 1 year ago

$5,000? Wow, really bringing out the big guns here aren't we. That'll show him, I'm sure!

[–] [email protected] 16 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Another nickel, just a cost of doing business.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 1 year ago

I'm pessimistic enough to think this is an example of what his punishment will be for just about all his crimes.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 year ago

Is the judge Gary Bettman?

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

That fine is nothing to him.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

Fines are only punishments if you are poor.