@IsThisLemmyOpen Reddit is not dead, yet.
this post was submitted on 15 Jun 2023
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Neither is Digg. Or myspace. Or many of dozens of services that used to be popular and fell into irrelevance.
Lemmy is irrelevant compared to Reddit. Completely and utterly. Thereβs what, a single medium-sized subreddit over all instances here?
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But Reddit is hardly irrelevant. they are still MASSIVE compared to those examples
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YouTube won't die anytime soon because running a Video Streaming Platform is way too expensive if you're not a big company. So there's no good alternatives. PeerTube Instances couldn't handle the massive data that YouTube can
because running a Video Streaming Platform is way too expensive
Youtube CAN die, even without an alternative. But I understood what you meant
I don't think anything will ever replace YouTube. Did you ever wonder why there aren't many good alternatives?
It's because video streaming websites are very expensive and usually run at a loss. The storage and bandwidth to support all these users constantly uploading and watching videos is really high. It's why the Twitch competitor Mixer shut down a few years ago, it was bleeding money.
I use an adblocker and hate ads as much as the next person but imo prople do take these video services for granted. They need ads to survive and I can't imagine a world where I'd need to pay a subscription to use them.
The question is, what adblockers? Itβs very rare that I encounter an adblocker-blocker that doesnβt only work against AdBlock but also against uBo.
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Reddit is far from dead. Most of the subs I care about are back.
Yes, but how long that will remain the case after the mods lose access to their 3rd party tools - will be what dictates it's future
Probably quite a long time. People here keep massively overestimating how much people care about these details.
Reddit isnt dead yet, and it will be much harder for youtube to die. Kinda hard to make creators move when its their job, and without them moving, there is no chance of any progress occuring.
Right now, the best thing they can do is host their content on youtube AND other alternatives like Odyssey. This lets them make the same money they always had, but also gives people an option to watch it somewhere else. Unfortuately, your average youtuber is completely clueless about this option and so you mainly only see tech people doing it with only a few exceptions here and there.
Reddit is dead?
Can anyone eli5 why pornhub doesn't just use their long standing streaming infrastructure to create a sfw site like... Idk "VidHub"? I feel like they could be a genuine competition with very little adjustment.
Youtube is waaaay different from pornhub. The amount of people uploading porn doesnt even begin to approach the amount of people uploading sfw content.
You can feasibly make people pay for porn, especially if you get a hot girl to advertise the content to lonely men.
SFW content though? How do you convince someone to pay for a gaming VOD, or some other type of mundane content? Hosting sfw video is just not profitable on the scale that youtube does it. Not without the backing of some SERIOUS money π¬
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Hosting sfw video is just not profitable on the scale that youtube does it
Youtube had $28.8b in revenue in 2021. While revenue isn't profit, I can't imagine it's losing money with that much revenue. It'd be hard for someone else to duplicate it, but not impossible if they have a strong business plan from the start.
or Vimeo setting up a more 'community'-oriented form of itself, with free uploads etc. Or Flickr going in for long-form video. Could something like that rival YT?
Youtube is far too expensive for anyone to try and run a competitor to. I don't think we'll ever see a replacement.
Google is still losing money on it, and might never make it profitable. There's a real risk that Youtube just dies on its own and nothing replaces it.
Youtube is one of the things that less techie people think of when it comes to internet videos. Itβs quite mainstream and will stay for long.
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Not sooner as someone figuring out a way for cheaper video hosting. I don't think youtube is even profitable.
It's in the same boat as Reddit is where it has gained a lot of goodwill by providing free content hosting for pretty much anyone, but because they've done that for so long it's seen as having little value, so attempts to generate value from it are resented.
I'm a lot more sympathetic to YouTube than I am to Reddit though, to put it bluntly.
Peer Tube could take off by us uploading to it and linking it from Lemmy
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No one has solved a way to make hosting massive amounts of videos cheap, and this is unlikely to happen anytime soon due to the large amount of data storage and bandwidth required.
So no, even if YouTube somehow becomes even more tyrannical than it is itβs unlikely weβll ever see it decentralized and federated the way Lemmy is in a usable way anytime soon.
Isn't PeerTube solving that problem?
i think youtube is doing much better than reddit
Reddit is dead?
It depends on how long people will desire long form video content. Maybe 15 years?
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Future? We are basically there.
Isnt that just tiktok lol
I'm constantly forced to find new extensions that hide Youtube Shorts because they stop working regularly.
We're not the demographic anymore
There are already many other sites and as YouTube keeps getting worse and greedier there will probably be more and more creators going elsewhere.
One example is firearms content moving to utreon. And obviously nsfw which has never been welcome there being available on many other hosts.
YouTube is not the only possible video service that can exist in the world.
It's unlikely that another monopoly can take over their business as a whole, but YouTube can definitely fail and video hosting has long been fragmented.
The worst thing about youtube is that they forced all my favourite youtubers into becoming streamers, and that's just an entirely different type of content.
Donβt give them ideas
Odysee and Rumble are actually really solid alternatives to YouTube. They're just missing the content. No, they're not as good as YouTube, but they're good enough.
The problem really is that if Odysee for example got really big, one of the other corporate giants would just buy it and turn it into shit, there seems to be no winning this battle in the long term.
edit: wow I just want there and its pretty obvious they have zero moderation there, the content is overrun with conspiracy garbage and anti-government insanity. That place is DOA.
Rumble is lacking so many simple features that YouTube has, like being able to just listen to content while the screen is off. YouTube seems to be the only video streaming app able to do this.
Only if you pay for YouTube Premium tho. I use the YouTube mobile site with either Brave or Firefox + Video Background Play Fix extension to workaround this silly limitation.
It will be very hard to replace YouTube. Google barely making money from it, if any. The storage you need to host so many videos (some 4k) for free is insane.
Maybe when technology gets to a certain point all that data storage will be a lot cheaper. Atm the best alternative I have seen is Dailymotion but they are nowhere near the scale of youtube.
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Why Youtube in particular? Did they unfurl some nasty change like reddit?
I wish PeerTube (or other similar alternatives) would seriously take off. But the cost of operating such a service at a large scale, and the fact that most content creators don't even try to find or to set up alternatives, makes it very hard for YouTube to fail. It's pretty sad because many of these same content creators will frequently complain about censorship and demonetization, without actually doing anything about itβ¦
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