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Im joining in on the reddit ditching thing, and was kinda worried at first that i wouldnt be able to like use it the way i did reddit as it feels like a whole new place, but after engaging with posts and people and actually being a part of lemmy rather than being lurk mode all the time i was pleasantly surprised with how easy it is to become a member of the community, theres a reasonable amount of subs (or whatever the other word for em is) that fit my interests, enough linux content and shitposting for my liking, and the overall random posts made by people equally fed up with Leddit. (also i admit i used reddit a little cus there was this post on the fedora sub showing how to fix a sound issue i been having after a recent update)

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[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Now I've got my head around how the instances work and how everything is connected but not connected at the same time I'm growing to like it. Once more communities pop up I think it's going to be good

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago

I like it a lot too, the fact that I can roam around servers from my home server is really cool

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

The thing that's confusing me most is links, whether to communities or individual posts.

I see links in a format like this:

[email protected]

Sometimes the exclamation mark is part of the link and it works, and sometimes it's there but not part of the link, and my phone thinks the rest is an email address.

Is there a guide anywhere to how to do links properly? TIA.

EDIT - yeah, so in my example above, the exclamation mark is not being treated as part of the link for some reason?

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago

This is definitely the biggest barrier of entry. I love the idea, the execution not so much.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

I think it's a little confusing for everyone right now. I'll try to explain the easy bits at least.

You can do relative links for communities like this: [text](/c/community@instance)

But these will only work if your instance has already discovered the communities. I think that's where a lot of the confusion behind all of this first becomes an issue. Some links only work if your instance already "knows" it exists.

To get your or any instance to learn about a specific community, you first have to search for it. The most reliable way to do it is to just put the full url of the community into the search box.

And then wait. It sometimes takes a moment to actually find the community. Once it's found the rest should work.

For comments, posts, and threads it's different. Since those will have different unique identifiers on a per instance basis, my understanding is that it's much more complicated for relative links to work. I haven't seen a simple solution yet, unfortunately.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Thanks, this is really useful, and greatly appreciated.

Feels like if someone can come up with a working solution for all this it could really help tip the balance towards mass acceptance.

I know nothing about programming, and I do realise Lemmy is all about being federated, but it feels like it needs some central system - not for ownership or anything, but simply to do the job of linking instances more easily. Perhaps even multiple 'central' systems, all doing the same job as each other, all consistent with each other, but not controlled by any one group/person, so as to avoid disputes and the risk of any single actor dominating the whole.

I dunno, I'm just kind of spitballing here. It'll need someone smarter than me to untangle it!

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[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago

At least on my instance everything is running fast, snappy. I like the clean interface. Haven't encountered any major bugs yet.

The only downside for me so far is that there is not a lot to see yet. The only active posts and communities are about lemmy itself. Which is understandable of course but I can't wait to actually get to the phase where I actually get to experience real content lmao

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

great, i've really liked lemmy so far. its really the first alt big tech platform like this that i've gotten into, was never big on mastodon or any of the others out there.

lemmy is honestly a breath of fresh air. really great platform so far, i think it has very strong potential.

i still use reddit for some things, but overall i'm starting to use lemmy a lot more. great work from the devs, can't wait to see the future!

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago (3 children)

It really feels like how Reddit started, before all the rage-bait and eye-catching bullshit. I miss the floofs, the memes, the fun reasons I joined. Now 90% is politics that keep popping up even though I don't subscribe to any political subs and keep blocking

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[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago

I really don’t like the cringe tankie culture here, hope that gets diluted as more people come in

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago (3 children)

I'm rapidly coming to appreciate it.

Maybe it's the demographic of users (young vs old, tech savvy vs casual, w/e) but threads here have far more activity in ratio to the number of subscribers and members.

Reddit just feels like a popularity context. Tell your 'I also choose this guy's dead wife' joke, get your karma, and for god's sake DON'T USE EMOJIS! Subs rapidly became echo chambers, or lose identity as they get larger.

Lemmy however... while not all threads have activity (it's small after all), the activity is legitimately interactive. People actually discussing ideas. We're talking like thinking adults, and I'm enjoying it.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I think that's inevitable of all such social media type sites eventually though - as they grow, the 'popularity contest' feel grows with them, initially as a way to be heard in the every-growing crowd, and later as an end in itself.

It'll probably happen to Lemmy too at some point - but if it does at least it will mean that Lemmy has managed to survive and grow. And people here in the early days will have the pleasure of being able to say "Lemmy wasn't like this at the start, I'm leaving for Flangscrawchler" (or whatever)

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

Bonus for Lemmy being federated, though - if lemmy.world or lemmy.ml no longer gives users want they're looking for, you can start your own flangscrawchl.er and choose whether or not you want to federate with them.

Corporations will have their own draw; shittification is a thing they do after they have majority market share and their users are entrenched. A new social network service could rise (even one made by Google for Facebook) that is easy to use, has QoL features that network it with its corporate siblings, etc. It sees increased traffic, it gets big... then it shittifies again.

As long as users are following corporate interests, this cycle continues. It's a slow-burn likeness of competing ISP sign-up contracts throwing in Xboxes. (Though I hear the US has service deserts, so that mightn't happen there.)

Lemmy probably won't shittify to the same degree; while larger servers like Lemmy.ml can house a huge percentage of Lemmy users, it can't 'go rogue' in a way that means anything to Lemmy as a whole.

It also can't offer the same QoL features a corporatized service can, because those can afford to operate at a loss while building market share. A subsidiary can be used as a 'loss leader', ie: it doesn't matter if it costs more to run than it earns directly, because it gets users into the door for things that do profit.

What you describe can, and mostly likely will happen. But Lemmy's nature makes it more responsive to user interests.

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[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Quite enjoyable and, since seeing the sub.rehab site someone else posted, even better. I've found quite a few subs that have made their way over to Lemmy.

My only gripe is that quite a few have made their way to lemmy.world, and it's buckling under pressure. I can't sign up on that instance, nor can I remotely sub to communities from my own instance. Once that's resolved, I think I'll definitely be happy to call Lemmy my new home.

Can't go back anyway - deleted my Reddit account.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

Yes, sub.rehab really helped. And the lemmy link extension for chrome.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago (3 children)

While not every community is on Lemmy yet that I visit on Reddit, by people migrating from Reddit to here, hopefully that issue will be solved soon. The community here seems way more welcoming than the Reddit community is too

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

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[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

dude helll yes i also just remembered theres that stupid barried of entry on many subs which ask u to meet really weird requirements to participate.. the other day i prompted gpt to say smt funny and wholesome (it was praise towards the aur(arch user repository)) and tried to post it on some linux/arch sub but the first 3 that came to mind wouldnt allow it, one didnt accept memes, the other had a bot which took it down automatically and the third asked me to comment and participate in the sub before posting.. like come on man.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago

The barrier for entry for some subreddits is too high but to be fair, ChatGPT "funny responses" are low-quality content and should be removed.

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[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Greatly improved after I found out about https://mlmym.org/ (old Reddit UI for Lemmy)

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago

yep i can hardly tell the difference on this interface.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago

It's a learning process. There is definetly a mild learning curve as to how things work here compared to traditional social media platforms. But maybe that's even a good thing as to pre-filter certain audiences.

So far the interaction possibilities seem very satisfying, community seems friendlier than current reddit (maybe that's just the size of the userbase) and there is already enough, I'd call it "base content" as to be a reasonable alternative to reddit. - Which is why I created an account here.

I especially like the threaded, color coded conversation view. Makes it really discernable who responded to whom. I also like the UI very much. Clear and easy to navigate. Only critique here: There is kind of a lot of wasted screenspace on both sides on a 4k resolution.

I think shortcuts for common mouseclicks and formatting like in RES (Reddit Enhancement Suite) would go a long way here too.

Well thats my 2c.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago

Pretty great tbh. The tricky thing with being an early adopter is you kind of have to be the change you want to see, but I'm old enough to feel no shame about just barging into places and starting new threads as needed.

So far started two accounts on two different instances (I like to keep different subjects somewhat separate) and had really cool interactions on both.

Obviously there are a few UX issues, trying to sub to remote communities is kind of a nightmare, but hopefully I've subbed to enough that other people on my instance will find it a bit easier to find them through search.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago

I am so happy this exists. I wish it continued growth and success. It feels like the good old early internet and that’s a very good thing.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago

First day of browsing Lemmy. So far so good. It took me a while to grasp the concept of an instance, but it seems to make sense to me now. I'm just hoping more communities start filling up and that the iOS app can get more development. Mlem is functional but veeery barebones right now. The browser works fine though!

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (5 children)

I like it ~ I joined mastodon but I think it was way too slow to load images - probably joined some dodgy overloaded server (though I like the Reddit format and community better rather than Twitter)

It's giving me Reddit 15 years ago vibes - smaller tech-savvy and agile community - my Reddit use was on and off through the years; but I like the idea that each community in the Extended Lemmiverse can all have their own vibes and cultures and implementations of the platform and we can all chat and follow topics together πŸ•ŠοΈ

I've only been here a short while; but maybe one thing I'd love is not to see reposts in the /all section ; I know the communities are small and growing and can cross post for more stuff , but I'm sure there could be a way for the system to know that the title and url are the same - so only show one , or auto-merge the comments and prioritise posting your comment to your local community instance's post Edit - I might try install an instance on my website and try to make a merge function ~

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago

yea i think one huge advantage is that theres no specific tos for lemmy as a whole and each instance can just do whatever they want which helps loads when it comes to censorship and moderation, and theres no 1 entity that can just skeet yo off the entire platform if u break some rule (great example is how reddit seems to be silencing ppl promoting lemmy and discussions ab it)

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[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

I'm excited for the possibilities, but daunted by the realities.

It's going to be tough to get enough foot traffic to start populating smaller subs. It seems like the Reddit API drama is the big break needed to hit a critical mass of users, but how many will take the time to figure out something like Lemmy? And are the Lemmy instances ready? It's strange to root for Reddit to go through with the API changes after using Reddit for so long. But if there was ever a time to pay a bit extra for additional hosting resources, June 11th (or now!) should be it. If a large influx of new users crash Lemmy instances, and no one can sign up, a golden opportunity will be lost.

Signing up was not a flawless process. You are asked to make a choice about servers with little guidance on what it all means.

Requiring a 10 character password with additional character conditions is going to turn a lot of possible new users OFF. It should be 6 characters, with no conditions. Yes, it's not secure, but we need sign ups above everything else. Users can choose to get as complex as they want, but simplicity should also be an option. If people later grow to value their Lemmy accounts, they can secure them at a later time. But extremely easy sign up should be the default for now.

Asking people to write an extensive answer as to "why you want to join this particular server" should also be suspended temporarily. Again, it's about ease of signing up. We should try to get as many signups in as quickly as possible, and weed out the problem people later. After the possible Reddit migration boom ends, you can go back to application essays as a requirement for entry.

The web interface is buggy. The site will often "reset" as you are reading a thread, and the whole thread will act if "refreshed". If this causes users to lose a long post they are typing, they might quit Lemmy then and there.

The community structure needs to be more unified across instances. It's confusing that there are local groups as well as "multiverse" groups across federations, often with the exact same name. It's a bummer that the communities can be splintered, and will have people not realize what's really available.

I think we're might see some weaknesses of a distributed system like Lemmy in the next few weeks. It's hard to organize and get everyone rowing in the same direction with no "CEO" or clear leader. It does feel like little fiefdoms doing their own things, and that makes it even harder to hit critical mass.

In terms of content and userbase, so far so good. It obviously leans heavily towards the technically competent. Lemmy sort of screens for the technology inclined since it's only well known to those who are up to date with the latest in tech. So of course it's easy to feel like everyone is like minded and cool for now. But we need to attract casuals if we want vibrant, non-tech groups to exist and flourish too.

I've only been exploring for 2 days though, so I can be very wrong.

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[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

The apps are still young. Wefwef’s save button is broken sometimes. Mlem doesn’t have a search, but it does have a weird text box that does nothing. Links in both open a post in an embedded web browser that I’m not signed in in. That being said, it shows great promise and I’m excited to watch us grow.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Very buggy, but overall a lot more user-friendly than I expected. The fediverse was a bit difficult to grasp as a concept (especially since all the explanations love to say that it's like email, which it's not, and then refuse to clarify further), but I think I got it now. Overall I can see myself moving entirely to lemmy.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

My biggest issue for now is that it feels kinda empty for now. I hope it will pop just a bit more so that we have good content regularly

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

I'm enjoying my time on the fediverse, still getting used to it all

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

I've tried to sign up/login to multiple instances and all of them have issues with logging in.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

this app I'm using is pretty bad (no offense to the dev) but once there's better ones on the market I'm sure the experience will be more enjoyable

I'm not a fan of the whole wordnews ppl banning anti-CCP/anti-russian content tho

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Seems interesting, UX could be a lot better (Logging in via jerboa app is hidden behind 2 seperate menus for example).

Main issue is lack of content so far but honestly that is probably just me learning how to use it and subscribe to what I want. 3 pages deep into "Hot" and about 2 of those pages consist of posts from one....instance? Sub Instance? whatever we call them :D

Also probably my own limitation for now, but the constant refreshing of pages is annoying, if I stop to read a post and go back, everything scrolls automatically, depending on time spent on post I could completely lose where I was.

Overall, I unfortunately think its not a threat to Reddit in its current state, it takes too much effort to understand what is going on for most people and even if the features I complained about above are avoidable it should not take effort or experience to figure out how, but I will stick around anyway, as it seems fun. I would think a lot of users will migrate back to Reddit after the blackout.

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[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Unfortunately, I've been getting some 404 not found of some communities/magazines of some instances that are not from the instance I'm using, e.g. I'm using kbin.social at the current posting account, but let's say that I tried to access something like https://sh.itjust.works/c/skincareaddiction there's no issues whatsoever (since it's the main instance where that community spawned off) but if I tried https://kbin.social/m/[email protected] then I would get the aforementioned error code. I find it pretty inconvenient that caching/indexing of certain less popular (which I assume is what is happening) community working clunkily, it feels not as reliable than using a centralized service, but I guess that this is the price to pay for a decentralized system.

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[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

My biggest complaints are all UI based. I wish the UI felt a bit less crowded, and there was a setting that would instead load up pages that don't auto-update.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

Hey I'm new here bc fuck spez. There's definitely potential here. Would like it to be easier to find communities (sublemmies?) And the app needs work but I'm ready to go all in. Did I mention fuck spez yet

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