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[–] [email protected] 86 points 11 months ago (3 children)

Fourthly, scanning for known, thus old material does not help identify and rescue victims, or prevent child sexual abuse. It will actually make safeguarding victims more difficult by pushing criminals to secure, decentralised communication channels which are impossible to intercept even with a warrant.

This point is huge, and on its own explains why half baked compromises are worthless.

The criminals will use banned chat apps, while innocent people get their messages read.

[–] [email protected] 67 points 11 months ago (1 children)

The reason they don't care about that is that the whole thing isn't about protecting children at all but about surveillance of the vast majority of people.

[–] [email protected] 21 points 11 months ago

This. There are already plans on expanding what the surveillance is used for, as soon as it is possible to begin with.

"Think of the children" is just the trick they're using to get their foot in the door. It being utterly ineffective in doing what they claim it'll do, is irrelevant.

[–] [email protected] 21 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Well that's the point, catching CSAM is just a very convenient excuse. Once that's through, it will just be a matter of extending it to terrorism. Then you can declare anyone a terrorist and bam you have free reign to monitor anyone you want.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 11 months ago (2 children)

Or you could just accuse them of the really dangerous crimes, like copyright violations or insulting politicians.

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[–] [email protected] 1 points 11 months ago

Your first mistake was assuming it's an attempt in good faith.

[–] [email protected] 71 points 11 months ago (3 children)

Its really really great that in a time where fascists gain more and more influence in several EU states, we also make it possible to massively spy on citizens :)

[–] [email protected] 29 points 11 months ago (1 children)

I am sure they will only use it against Pedos and Terrorists! ;)

[–] [email protected] 24 points 11 months ago (2 children)

Europol already said it would use it to fight „illegal migration“ and „human traffickers“ and drug dealers

A french politian demanded to use it against „Drag Queens“ and museums

An italian politian proposed to use chat control against „human traficking“ (in this case a dogwhistle for people, that rescue migrants), organ traffickers, illegal trading of weapons and drug dealers.

Some important german polititians want to expand it against antisemitism, far right extremism and child pornography

A lobbyist and another german politian want to also use it against illegally downloaded movies and music.

https://netzpolitik.org/2023/ueberwachung-politiker-fordern-ausweitung-der-chatkontrolle-auf-andere-inhalte/ (article in german)

[–] [email protected] 4 points 11 months ago

Where there's a through, the pigs will come.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 11 months ago

Surprise surprise!

[–] [email protected] 16 points 11 months ago

And they'll screech like banshees when you mention the same or higher standards of transparency should apply to the rich and politicians themselves.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 11 months ago (1 children)

They’re the same people.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 11 months ago (2 children)

Well, not the same people. The surveillance people are authoritarian fascists that have been in government parties a lot longer than the newer parties with similar views.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Facism is not the same thing as wanting mass surveillance. Or is your definition fascist = bad?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 11 months ago

Well, mostly I was thinking of the extreme nationalist views that most of these kinds of politicians showed in the past when they e.g. created intelligence agencies that completely ignored any international agreements, basic rights,... to ensure the supremacy of their own nation and their influence within it.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 11 months ago

Well, I meant that they all belong to the same group, fascists.

[–] [email protected] 29 points 11 months ago

“If you give me six lines written by the hand of the most honest of men, I will find something in them which will hang him.” - Richelieu (disputed)

[–] [email protected] 25 points 11 months ago (3 children)

Time to become a proud criminal. When law becomes tyranny, resistance becomes moral.

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[–] [email protected] 24 points 11 months ago

Lol guess we can kiss post-quantum TLS goodbye.

This is going to have catastrophically negative effects for the internet in general. And, as others have said, actual bad actors will just keep using the most advanced encryption available anyways. This only makes the vast majority of internet users less secure and easier targets for exploitation.

[–] [email protected] 18 points 11 months ago (2 children)

So this is how liberty dies...

I can't see Signal operating in Europe if this is the case. Telegram has already handed over information, so they will likely adapt and continue doing their thing. Meta/WhatsApp will want to keep that money, so they will find a way to operate as well.

I suppose Signal could have a European server, but that might cut them off from the rest of the world.

Might end up using Briar or XMPP.

I haven't given the proposition more than a once-over, but I assume this will cover emails too?

[–] [email protected] 6 points 11 months ago

I will probably end up using Matrix but they really have to leave the UK before those facist shits force them to implement a backdoor!

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[–] [email protected] 17 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (2 children)

I want cameras and microphones in every politicians house, in every room. These record 24/7 and will be live-streamed on twitch. Any politician against this proposal is obviously a child-abusing terrorist, or do they have something even worse to hide?

[–] [email protected] 7 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

Zero privacy to world leaders and absolute privacy to citizen would be ideal.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 11 months ago

Don't forget all their offices and vehicles.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 11 months ago (2 children)

-----BEGIN PGP MESSAGE----- enters the chat

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[–] [email protected] 11 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Typical Achsel Voss behavior... Fucking fascist.

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[–] [email protected] 10 points 11 months ago

Goodbye data security and privacy... I guess you were nice concepts whilst you lasted.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Are they proposing opening every letter that goes in the mail too? And checking every memory card that gets sent?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

Reminds me of this: The Post Office Is Spying on the Mail. Senators Want to Stop It: The USPS carries out warrantless surveillance on thousands of parcels every year. Lawmakers are working to end it—right now by Dell Cameron in Wired.

To initiate this surveillance, the department or agency has at least one hurdle to climb. First, they must submit the request in writing. Then … well, nothing. That is the entire hurdle.

Edit. Note: this is just the exterior of the mail that's scanned.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 11 months ago

the proposed text would mandate the implementation of surveillance bugs

And they call it 2.0? I've never seen such a blatant example of version number inflation. It should be called 0.2a, as it's nowhere near ready for release and full of bugs.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 11 months ago (2 children)

Great. That would probably mean a ban for Telegram would also be needed, as they're known to not bow to local surveillance-laws.

I'm all for doing everything to find effing pedos, but I'll doubt it will help catch one. Who would be so dumb to do illegal things on the surface-web?

[–] [email protected] 19 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (5 children)

Telegram is already not ~~encrypted~~ end-to-end encrypted by default. Signal is the interesting app - they don't even have the data to bow to data requests.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (2 children)

Doesn't Signal have backdoors for government agencies or am I mistaken? (Has been a while since I read something like that.)

[–] [email protected] 3 points 11 months ago (1 children)

No

Every time somebody comes to them with warrants they got nothing but timestamps for account creation and last login

Closest thing you might be thinking of is when Signal added a warning third party keyboards might spy on you, which was promptly followed by China banning Signal (the most popular Chinese keyboard app is developed within China).

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[–] [email protected] 2 points 11 months ago (5 children)

not really, cos telegram is not end to end encrypted unless you do not use group chats, and deep dive into the menu to enable secret chat for every individual contact.

I have no idea why telegram got this secure reputation. it is literally the absolute worst of the bunch, security wise

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[–] [email protected] 7 points 11 months ago

Germany suggests splitting up child sexual abuse material regulation

Germany has suggested splitting the file into two parts, namely “generally acceptable provisions”, which should remain in the compromise text, and “controversial provisions”, which should be removed. The removed parts should be included in a new draft regulation.

Controversial provisions could be “discussed without time pressure”, to come up with solutions that protect children and also respect data privacy.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 11 months ago (1 children)

How to contact your MEP.

Thanks for the link, but I'm still not sure who to contact. Apparently I'm supposed to know who is "my MEP", but I don't. How to?

[–] [email protected] 3 points 11 months ago

Might depend on your country, but for Germany there are no direct candidates that we votes for. Everybody hat one vote one could give to a party, which had presented a list of people for the election. At the end the party then send the first x people of that list, according to how many of the German representatives were to be send by that party.

So, effectively all MEP which are German are "my" MEP. Or just the party I voted for if I want to be exclusive.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 11 months ago (1 children)

The age of stenography has begun!

[–] [email protected] 3 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Did you mean steganography, ie concealing messages "in plain sight" in otherwise innocuous-looking things like images or audio?

Stenography is any abbreviated writing system, but not really "coded" in any meaningful way

[–] [email protected] 3 points 11 months ago (1 children)
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