Even using pc all day I can't click a scroll bar on the first time!

The text boxes full of text, with both a horizontal and vertical scroll bar, on a page with a scroll bar. When I use the mouse wheel near the bottom of the text it scrolls right, towards the right it scrolls down, but I actually wanted to scroll the page down.

I bought a macropad with knobs just because of this... (I use a Wacom tablet in place of a mouse and it doesn't have a worthy scrollwheel alternative, so I couldn't navigate many "modern" websites and programs)

I feel you, so I have researched this:

For Firefox you can change the width /style of the scrollbar:

(A) In a new tab, type or paste

about:config

in the address bar and press Enter/Return. Click the button accepting the risk.

(B) In the search box in the page, type or paste

widget.non-native-theme.scrollbar.style

(C) Press the Return or Enter key to find the setting. Click the Edit (pencil) button on the right side of the widget.non-native-theme.scrollbar.style setting.

(D) Delete the current 0 value for the default OS style scrollbar. Then input the value 1 (Mac OS X), 2 (GTX), 3 (Android), 4 (Windows 10), or 5 (Windows 11) in the widget.non-native-theme.scrollbar.style box for the scrollbar style you want to change to. For example, enter 4 to change the scrollbar to the default Windows 10 design.

(E) Click the Save button on the right side of the widget.non-native-theme.scrollbar.style setting to apply.

Also for the hiding:

Windows: Settings > Ease of Access > Display > Automatically hide scroll bars in Windows

Mac: System Preferences > General > Show scroll bars

Not me installing a css snippet in Obsidian to solve this exact problem.

I'll see ones that seem to show up visually but I've never ever been able to click onto it and move it.

Chrome

Imagine being able to configure anything useful in chrome ever.

Savage

I call it the "War on Scrollbars" and I think it started when some meme about watching a teacher use a computer got popular. https://old.reddit.com/r/fffffffuuuuuuuuuuuu/comments/df8cd/watching_someone_use_a_computer/

I absolutely hate how tiny scrollbars have gotten. I hate how clicking in a certain spot cause the scrollbar to move slightly instead of jumping directly to where I click.

These are modern design decisions that I think shitty designers implemented because they need to feel useful. Then, autistic users who want nothing on their screen praise them for it.

It's disgusting and I hope, one day, we can look back on how the 2010s were the worst decade for software design so far.

The steam scroll bar is so tiny that i thought it was a reflexion on the screen.

I've never even used them. I just scrolled with a mouse or the touchpad gesture, and its much more convenient.