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I just read this point in a comment and wanted to bring it to the spotlight.

Meta has practically unlimited resources. They will make access to the fediverse fast with their top tier servers.

As per my understanding this will make small instances less desirable to the common user. And the effects will be:

  1. Meta can and will unethically defedrate from instances which are a theat to them. Which the majority of the population won't care about, again making the small instances obsolete.
  2. When majority of the content is on the Meta servers they can and will provide fast access to it and unethically slow down access to the content from outside instances. This will be noticeable but cannot be proved, and in the end the common users just won't care. They will use Threads because its faster.

This is just what i could think of, there are many more ways to be evil. Meta has the best engineers in the world who will figure out more discrete and impactful ways to harm the small instances.

Privacy: I know they can scrape data from the fediverse right now. That's not a problem. The problem comes when they launch their own Android / iOS app and collect data about my search and what kind of Camel milk I like.

My thoughts: I think building our own userbase is better than federating with an evil corp. with unlimited resources and talent which they will use to destroy the federation just to get a few users.

I hope this post reaches the instance admins. The Cons outweigh the Pros in this case.

We couldn't get the people to use Signal. This is our chance to make a change.

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[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Meta has the best engineers in the world

HAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHA....oh that's rich. Do you actually believe this?

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago

Who do you believe are the best engineers in the world and where do they work?

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[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago (2 children)
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[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago

If an instance does off because Meta won't defederates from it, then it probably would have died off anyway.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago (4 children)

Imagine what the fediverse will be like when 90 year old daisy gets on it.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Imagine those old conservatives shock when lemmygrad contents show up on their federated feed.

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[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Could Threads essentially cause a kinda DDOS attack onto other instances or bloating other instances with data?

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[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago

I get all the hate for meta and zuck, and I agree that they would only do so for their own commercial benefit, but I don’t think we should defederate without seeing what federating means. Everyone here is instinctively panicking and running around like headless chickens without seeing what it would actually entail.

Threads is like mastodon. If federating with threads only means that threads users can participate in lemmy, I see that as an advantage for us.

If we were a mastodon instance, this conversation would be very different.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago (10 children)

If you don't federate with them, people will simply just go there instead of here because a larger user base.

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[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago (5 children)
[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago

Signal is an encrypted messaging app that got popular during the whole Whatsapp privacy fiasco few years ago.

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[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (4 children)

Why would the most active lemmings stay on meta owned and controlled instances?

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[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago (3 children)

The instances defederating Meta will shrink and collapse into their own seperate Defediverse. The debate shows the risk of so many hobbyist instances and admins powertripping their view who the users are allowed to talk to, that a corporation is perhaps more reliable. It hurts the users, hampers communication channels and people will flock more to the Mainfediverse further accelerating more power to fewer instances.

If you were looking for a network seperated from the outside general world, you perhaps should have joined a closed instance, network and forum. It goes against all what the Fediverse tries to be, a multi-purpose communication tool across communities, corporations and cultures with the possibility to create seperated and shielded communities.

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