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[–] [email protected] 4 points 10 hours ago

Laughs in Faraday.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 12 hours ago

Finally my Intel stock will rise. This will definitely force Nvidia GPU to be manufactured in the US with always on DRM.

[–] [email protected] 34 points 21 hours ago* (last edited 21 hours ago) (2 children)

The first and central provision of the bill is the requirement for tracking technology to be embedded in any high-end processor module or device that falls under the U.S. export restrictions.

As a coder with some hardware awareness, I find the concept laughable.

How does he think they (read: the Taiwanese, if they are willing to) would go about doing it?

Add a GPS receiver onto every GPU? Add an inertial navigation module to every GPU? Add a radio to every GPU? :D

The poor politician needs a technically competent advisor forced on him. To make him aware (preferably in the most blunt way) of real possibilities in the real world.

In the real world, you can prevent a chip from knowing where it's running and you can't add random shit onto a chip, and if someone does, you can stop buying bugged hardware or prevent that random addition from getting a reading.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 6 hours ago

If politicians had advisors then how would they justify doing the dumb shit their owners want them to, then they can't plead ignorance.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 11 hours ago (2 children)

Taiwanese

AMD & Nvidia are American companies, for better or worse. The Taiwanese just make the chips, they don't actually decide what they look like...

Add a GPS receiver onto every GPU? Add an inertial navigation module to every GPU? Add a radio to every GPU? :D

if it's possible, which I agree with you, is highly unlikely, i'd assume it'd be something like html canvas fingerprinting. Rather than adding more stuff to the gpu, the gpu could be made to generate a specific fingerprint. I recon it'd be a very easy task for the hardware vendors.

Heck, there might be other ways we don't even know yet, kinda like the glowy ethernet port. I could see that working very easily in conjunction to the GPU.

In the real world, you can prevent a chip from knowing where it's running and you can't add random shit onto a chip, and if someone does, you can stop buying bugged hardware or prevent that random addition from getting a reading.

please read up on intel management engine and amd's equivelent. That shit runs on your system in ring minus 3. Oh yeah, ARM also has something similar.

China is also making it's own x86 cpus, but I bet they're laced with more spyware than the above.

You honestly have virtually 0 other cpu options. Everything is bugged... Who would you buy from in this case? It's virtually unavoidable :/

[–] [email protected] 2 points 4 hours ago* (last edited 4 hours ago) (1 children)

please read up on intel management engine

I'm already familiar with it. On the systems I buy and intall, if they are Intel based, ME gets disabled since I haven't found a reasonable use for it.

Oh yeah, ARM also has something similar.

Since this is more relevant to me (numerically, most of the systems that I install are Raspberry Pi based robots), I'm happy to announce that TrustZone is not supported on Pi 4 (I haven't checked about other models). I haven't tested, however - don't trust my word.

Who would you buy from in this case?

From the Raspberry Pi Foundation, who are doubtless ordering silicon from TSMC for the Pico series and ready-made CPUs for their bigger products, and various other services from other companies. If they didn't exist, I would likely fall back on RockChip based products from China.

https://www.cryptomuseum.com/covert/bugs/nsaant/firewalk/index.htm

Wow. :) Neat trick. (Would be revealed in competent hands, though. Snap an X-ray photo and find excess electronics in the socket.)

However, a radio transceiver is an extremely poor candidate for embedding on a chip. It's good for bugging boards, not chips.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 hour ago (1 children)

ME gets disabled

I didn't know you could disable it. I figured it was very impractical or near impossible to do. how did you do it?

Raspberry Pi Foundation

I'm not going to lie, raspberry pis are a good candidate for a desktop but they're still very underpowered compared to modern computers. That's my only critcism. But yes, i'm not sure if there's any spookware on any of the raspberry pis.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 59 minutes ago* (last edited 54 minutes ago)

how did you do it?

In the BIOS options of that specific server (nothing fancy, a generic Dell with some Xeon processor) the option to enable/disable ME was just plainly offered.

Chipset features > Intel AMT (active management technology) > disable (or something similar, my memory is a bit fuzzy). I researched the option, got worried about the outcomes if someone learned to exploit it, and made it a policy of turning it off. It was about 2 years ago.

P.S.

I'm sure there exist tools for the really security-conscious folks to verify whether ME has become disabled, but I was installing a boring warehouse system, so I didn't check.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 10 hours ago

Also, don't get me started on speculative execution vulns...

[–] [email protected] 22 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (2 children)

Why do gpus need geo tracking? They're usually pretty stationary right?

[–] [email protected] 19 points 22 hours ago

It's about not letting them be used in China, and any other future enemy countries.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 22 hours ago* (last edited 22 hours ago) (1 children)

Because China supposedly used Nvidia cards to train DeepSeek, which blew all of the US AI out of the water. And apparently that raised some eyebrows, because Nvidia wasn’t supposed to be selling to China (free market, right?). Since China was eating big tech’s lunch, they cried to republicans (and gave them a bunch of reelection money) and now we have this bill. The point is to be able to remotely disable cards if they’re outside of their sale region.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 10 hours ago

Such a well-conceived feature could never possibly be abused for unintended purposes.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Senator Tom Cotton's legislation seeks to "prevent advanced ~~American~~ TAIWANESE chips from falling into the hands of adversaries like Communist China."

FTFY

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[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 day ago (1 children)

And how do they plan to do this? even if they add (GPS) tracking hardware the Chinese will just cut the connection to the Antenna and the GPU is gone. If they do it in software (like driver) it will just be patched out.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 day ago

Sure, but now a new company selling Geo tracking shit for GPUs is making billions per year. Problem solved!

[–] andybytes 13 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

Capitalism is a system of whores. And there's nothing wrong with whores, but a whore is a whore. Good luck. It's going to be like trying to hold a bar of soap that's slipping out of your hands. You can keep grabbing at it, but it's just going to keep slipping. I just recall when America leaked nuclear secrets because soldiers were using a private private flashcard program and they forgot to check mark the box that said private. And so they ended up leaking all these secrets all over the internet. And let's not forget. The open source information that was used from some snot-nosed person on an osint account on twitter for targeting a supposed underground base, that cost the lives of innocent civilians via the Palantir and Peter Thiel's stupid AI. They did not get an underground base. They just wasted millions of dollars on something that wasn't there.

It's like their plans are dystopic and terrifying, but they're not going to be able to implement them in a way that's worth a damn. And also, their actual product that they produce is so stupid that it's even more terrifying than the original idea. It's just straight up fucking madness. It's like, look mom, no hands. Then you fall off the goddamn bike and you're sitting there crying.

This still remains. There is so much corruption and greed in this country that we can't even function as an empire. We can't even get a chip's factory figured out. We don't make shit. Everybody in this country is so goddamn lazy and stupid. I can't even find a noble cause because I feel like I'm just enabling stupid people. I'm sure we just operate off of bare necessities. Like the need to just stay alive one more day. But it gets to the point where it's like, what's the fucking point? This country is nonsensical. It's absurd. It's laughable. It's weak. It's limp dicked. And this happened way before Joe Biden or Trump. This has been a continuation ever since I've been alive for 40 fucking dumb ass years.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 day ago (1 children)

What the fuck is your metaphor with whores all about??

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 day ago (5 children)

Yeah right, a couple of my good friends used to be sex workers so

but a whore is a whore

just seems ignorant and misogynist to me.

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[–] [email protected] 30 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (5 children)

How is this even legal? I am not even american nor living there, so how would the US be allowed to operate massive and unregulated surveillance through GPUs ?

The US is becoming worse than those they call villain.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 12 hours ago

How is this even legal?

That's the neat part, if it isn't no one will enforce it or protect you.

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