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[–] [email protected] 40 points 4 days ago (6 children)

Being in prison sucks though. No matter what. I mean Norwegian prisons are very clean and remarkably comfortable, and Japanese prisons have top notch food (freshly cooked and with fresh ingredients). But I would rather not have the choking lack of freedom in any of them.

[–] [email protected] 22 points 3 days ago (1 children)

I'm sure there's a starving person in poverty that would disagree. Terrible thought but desperation is common in the working class.

[–] [email protected] 24 points 3 days ago

stories of people robbing a bank for $1 to get into prison for medical care comes to mind

[–] [email protected] 10 points 3 days ago

For many people, being imprisoned in one of these places would grant them a lot more freedom than they currently have.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 days ago

Pretty much this. According to Varg Vikernes Norwegian prisons are mostly filled with crazy people.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 3 days ago (6 children)

If you are safe from the prisoners and guards, get clean accommodations, are well fed, get outside/gym time for fitness, medical care, time to learn a vocation or study, occasional entertainment time (tv or whatever)... the only thing missing is a romantic partner... honestly, it sounds as good as an all inclusive retreat/vacation.

I imagine not having control over your own life for years at a time would wear one down. But months? If I knew my outside people weren't suffering because of my actions, it sounds kind of nice.

But I'm an introvert that works from home, so, I'd miss my pets.

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[–] [email protected] 150 points 4 days ago (4 children)

False ; Norwegians don't look at Americans.

[–] [email protected] 35 points 4 days ago

Fair enough.

[–] [email protected] 23 points 4 days ago (6 children)

The Americans are going to walk up on the street and randomly engage them in conversation

[–] [email protected] 29 points 4 days ago

Norwegians when americans just come up and say "How are you?" and they don't really want to know in detail how we are but just want to be polite:

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[–] [email protected] 18 points 4 days ago (2 children)

So I'm functionally invisible if I go there? Tempting

[–] [email protected] 7 points 4 days ago

There is 100% a strong culture for minding your own business and not bothering anyone here. By that I mean that approaching someone without having a good reason to do so is very much frowned upon. That doesn't mean we're anti-social or complete strangers to small-talk, but there are some rather subtle social cues governing when it's appropriate to approach someone, and if you just mind your own business and don't give any indication that you want to chat, there's a high probability that no one will approach you or talk to you.

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[–] [email protected] 43 points 4 days ago (4 children)

But american prisons generate more profit for the private sector. So who can really say which system is better?

[–] [email protected] 18 points 4 days ago (1 children)

The one with the least amount of repeat offenders.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 3 days ago (6 children)

Why would a for-profit business not want repeat customers?

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[–] [email protected] 91 points 4 days ago (3 children)

I was about to make a joke about flying over to Norway and causing issues, but I don't want to be a jerk.

Could someone in Norway frame me and have me extradited, please?

[–] [email protected] 116 points 4 days ago (2 children)

Unfortunately you're not the first person to have that thought. And from what little bit of research I did into it it seems that they would much rather just spend the money to buy you a plane ticket and send you home.

[–] [email protected] 102 points 4 days ago

Makes sense. I wouldn't want me around either.

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[–] [email protected] 8 points 3 days ago

The Norwegian prisons have higher standard of living than all the red run welfare Oblasts.

[–] [email protected] 25 points 4 days ago

Mainly because Norwegians are pretty tall

[–] [email protected] 27 points 4 days ago (26 children)

The shame of the Norwegian criminal justice system is not in how they treat their prisoners but in who they haven't gotten around to imprisoning. White Wing nationalism absolutely tearing that country to shreds.

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[–] [email protected] 18 points 4 days ago (1 children)

A gilded cage is still a cage. I’d rather work and pay rent and live in a modest apartment than be imprisoned in a luxury hotel that I’m not allowed to leave. Prisoners in Halden prison don’t get to set their own schedule, don’t get to quit being a prisoner and move across the country, don’t get to code with whom they live and associate.

Even with a minimum wage job you can save up enough money for a plane ticket to anywhere in the world and just leave. Or even just a bus ticket across the country to live somewhere else.

Or how about taking your girlfriend/boyfriend out on a date to a nice restaurant? Or rent a cabin in the woods for a weekend and just relax? Or go out to the bar for a few beers with a friend? Or volunteer to spend time with some elderly folks at a nursing home!

Being in prison sucks, no matter how much they dress it up. The vast majority of things you might do are closed off to you just because you can’t leave. Every single one of those prisoners knows they’re being punished. Every single one of them counts the days until their release.

[–] [email protected] 17 points 4 days ago (15 children)

Even with a minimum wage job you can save up enough money for a plane ticket to anywhere in the world and just leave.

If you make minimum wage in the city I live in you either live with your parents, have multiple roomates, or live on the street.

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[–] [email protected] 16 points 4 days ago (3 children)

A good example is to see what Varg Vikernes were doing while in prison:

Burzum remained as a solo project until 1994, when Vikernes was arrested for the murder of Euronymous and the burnings of several churches in Norway. [...] While imprisoned, Vikernes managed to record two other albums in a dark ambient style. They were released as Dauði Baldrs (1997) and Hliðskjálf (1999). Both of these albums were created with a synthesizer, as Vikernes was prohibited from using any other instruments in prison.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Burzum#Imprisonment_(1993%E2%80%932009)

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