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    What OS should we use? (sh.itjust.works)
    submitted 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) by [email protected] to c/[email protected]
     

    "Linux" "Linux" "GNU/Linux" [gets thrown out the window]

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    [–] [email protected] 4 points 15 hours ago
    [–] [email protected] 2 points 15 hours ago* (last edited 15 hours ago) (1 children)

    Just be like a normal person and use the Cloud or Windows Server

    I'll let myself out

    [–] [email protected] 2 points 15 hours ago

    I don't like Microsoft so I use Apple's cloud OS, the MacFlurry.

    [–] [email protected] 86 points 1 day ago (3 children)

    Mom says it's my turn to paste it!

    I'd just like to interject for a moment. What you're refering to as Linux, is in fact, GNU/Linux, or as I've recently taken to calling it, GNU plus Linux. Linux is not an operating system unto itself, but rather another free component of a fully functioning GNU system made useful by the GNU corelibs, shell utilities and vital system components comprising a full OS as defined by POSIX.

    Many computer users run a modified version of the GNU system every day, without realizing it. Through a peculiar turn of events, the version of GNU which is widely used today is often called Linux, and many of its users are not aware that it is basically the GNU system, developed by the GNU Project.

    There really is a Linux, and these people are using it, but it is just a part of the system they use. Linux is the kernel: the program in the system that allocates the machine's resources to the other programs that you run. The kernel is an essential part of an operating system, but useless by itself; it can only function in the context of a complete operating system. Linux is normally used in combination with the GNU operating system: the whole system is basically GNU with Linux added, or GNU/Linux. All the so-called Linux distributions are really distributions of GNU/Linux!

    [–] [email protected] 62 points 1 day ago (2 children)

    Yay, my turn!

    No, Richard, it's 'Linux', not 'GNU/Linux'. The most important contributions that the FSF made to Linux were the creation of the GPL and the GCC compiler. Those are fine and inspired products. GCC is a monumental achievement and has earned you, RMS, and the Free Software Foundation countless kudos and much appreciation.

    Following are some reasons for you to mull over, including some already answered in your FAQ.

    One guy, Linus Torvalds, used GCC to make his operating system (yes, Linux is an OS -- more on this later). He named it 'Linux' with a little help from his friends. Why doesn't he call it GNU/Linux? Because he wrote it, with more help from his friends, not you. You named your stuff, I named my stuff -- including the software I wrote using GCC -- and Linus named his stuff. The proper name is Linux because Linus Torvalds says so. Linus has spoken. Accept his authority. To do otherwise is to become a nag. You don't want to be known as a nag, do you?

    (An operating system) != (a distribution). Linux is an operating system. By my definition, an operating system is that software which provides and limits access to hardware resources on a computer. That definition applies whereever you see Linux in use. However, Linux is usually distributed with a collection of utilities and applications to make it easily configurable as a desktop system, a server, a development box, or a graphics workstation, or whatever the user needs. In such a configuration, we have a Linux (based) distribution. Therein lies your strongest argument for the unwieldy title 'GNU/Linux' (when said bundled software is largely from the FSF). Go bug the distribution makers on that one. Take your beef to Red Hat, Mandrake, and Slackware. At least there you have an argument. Linux alone is an operating system that can be used in various applications without any GNU software whatsoever. Embedded applications come to mind as an obvious example.

    Next, even if we limit the GNU/Linux title to the GNU-based Linux distributions, we run into another obvious problem. XFree86 may well be more important to a particular Linux installation than the sum of all the GNU contributions. More properly, shouldn't the distribution be called XFree86/Linux? Or, at a minimum, XFree86/GNU/Linux? Of course, it would be rather arbitrary to draw the line there when many other fine contributions go unlisted. Yes, I know you've heard this one before. Get used to it. You'll keep hearing it until you can cleanly counter it.

    You seem to like the lines-of-code metric. There are many lines of GNU code in a typical Linux distribution. You seem to suggest that (more LOC) == (more important). However, I submit to you that raw LOC numbers do not directly correlate with importance. I would suggest that clock cycles spent on code is a better metric. For example, if my system spends 90% of its time executing XFree86 code, XFree86 is probably the single most important collection of code on my system. Even if I loaded ten times as many lines of useless bloatware on my system and I never excuted that bloatware, it certainly isn't more important code than XFree86. Obviously, this metric isn't perfect either, but LOC really, really sucks. Please refrain from using it ever again in supporting any argument.

    Last, I'd like to point out that we Linux and GNU users shouldn't be fighting among ourselves over naming other people's software. But what the heck, I'm in a bad mood now. I think I'm feeling sufficiently obnoxious to make the point that GCC is so very famous and, yes, so very useful only because Linux was developed. In a show of proper respect and gratitude, shouldn't you and everyone refer to GCC as 'the Linux compiler'? Or at least, 'Linux GCC'? Seriously, where would your masterpiece be without Linux? Languishing with the HURD?

    If there is a moral buried in this rant, maybe it is this:

    Be grateful for your abilities and your incredible success and your considerable fame. Continue to use that success and fame for good, not evil. Also, be especially grateful for Linux' huge contribution to that success. You, RMS, the Free Software Foundation, and GNU software have reached their current high profiles largely on the back of Linux. You have changed the world. Now, go forth and don't be a nag.

    Thanks for listening.

    [–] [email protected] 20 points 1 day ago

    Thanks for listening.

    I didn't hear a single word you said.
    I did read a few though

    [–] [email protected] 13 points 1 day ago

    Obligatory "/laughs in alpine" response.

    [–] [email protected] 1 points 1 day ago

    I'd like to insert random emojis into that text for maximum brainrot, but I'm on phone, and the Samsung keyboard's emoji function is a bit hard to me, especially as I like actual buttons (bluetooth keyboard) for at least the cursors.

    [–] [email protected] 13 points 1 day ago (2 children)

    Aren't we supposed to sympathize with the guy being thrown through the window in these memes?

    [–] [email protected] 10 points 1 day ago (1 children)

    We do sympathize with him, that's why it's funny. He's not wrong

    [–] [email protected] 1 points 15 hours ago

    He is wrong. The project is Linux.

    [–] [email protected] 2 points 1 day ago (1 children)

    This time we're cheering... but he's correct, so the meme still works structurally.

    [–] [email protected] 0 points 15 hours ago

    No he isn’t. It’s Linux

    [–] [email protected] 8 points 1 day ago (2 children)

    Sure, but what distro?

    ~voilent fight ensues~

    [–] [email protected] 1 points 10 hours ago

    I'll go get some popcorn.

    [–] [email protected] 1 points 14 hours ago

    Bedrock linux.

    [–] [email protected] 42 points 1 day ago (1 children)
    [–] andybytes 23 points 1 day ago (1 children)

    As long as it's not owned by a douchebag and its open source and transparent, I don't give a fuck what you call it.

    [–] [email protected] 3 points 1 day ago (1 children)

    Richard Stallman is a douchebag

    [–] [email protected] 1 points 1 day ago (2 children)

    Yeah, but he doesn't own Linux, even though he wishes he did.

    [–] [email protected] 3 points 1 day ago

    No but he is the head of the Gnu Project

    [–] [email protected] 3 points 1 day ago

    "Richard stallman is not the emperor of foss!"

    "... He told my dad he was!"

    [–] [email protected] 12 points 1 day ago

    Alpine Busybox/Linux :3

    [–] [email protected] 14 points 1 day ago (1 children)

    Being pedantic does not exactly give the best first impression of a community.

    [–] derpgon 6 points 1 day ago (1 children)

    Never understood why it even matters, everyone knows and understands what Linux means, doesn't matter it is the "wrong name".

    Motherfuckers were using "velcro" their whole lives yet it is the name of the company, not the name of the thing. They are called "hook-and-loop fastener" or "touch fastener".

    [–] [email protected] 5 points 1 day ago (1 children)

    In french it's "Scratch" because it sounds like this when you open it (not talking about Linux)

    [–] derpgon 2 points 17 hours ago

    In Czech, it is called "dry zipper". Dunno why, because both work when wet, it is not a zipper, and a regular zipper is not wet anyway.

    [–] [email protected] 28 points 1 day ago (2 children)
    [–] [email protected] 65 points 1 day ago

    What you are referring to as pedantry, is in fact, semantics/pedantry.

    [–] [email protected] 3 points 1 day ago

    Only a pedant would make this claim

    [–] [email protected] 7 points 1 day ago

    But that's just the kernel...
    gets thrown out of window too

    [–] [email protected] 3 points 1 day ago

    Or as I've taken to calling it, GNU plus Linux!

    [–] [email protected] 4 points 1 day ago
    [–] [email protected] 3 points 1 day ago

    lol. My take away from this meme is.

    The debate is, which flavor with Linux under the hood, should we use. and that's the debate.

    [–] [email protected] 0 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (3 children)

    GNU. Just GNU; IDGAF which kernel it is (as long as it's copyleft and supports my hardware).

    [–] [email protected] 1 points 12 hours ago

    Maybe there's a kernel of truth in there

    [–] [email protected] 2 points 15 hours ago

    I hurd you there.

    [–] [email protected] 2 points 1 day ago

    aaaand out the window we go!

    [–] [email protected] -3 points 1 day ago (1 children)

    Replace GNU/Linux with NixOS

    [–] [email protected] 1 points 15 hours ago (1 children)
    [–] [email protected] 2 points 11 hours ago

    I would love to, but due to GNU being GNU daily driving guix is not very realistic currently.