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No evidence has been seen that a genocide is occurring in Gaza or that women and children were targeted by the IDF, UK government lawyers have claimed, as a high court case opened into the handling of arms exports controls to Israel.

They also suggested there was no obligation placed on the UK to make other states comply with international humanitarian law but only to ensure that no breach occured within its jurisdiction.

The government is seeking to defend itself in a judicial review brought over allegations that it acted unlawfully in continuing to sell F-35 parts and components to a global pool, even though some of those components might be used by Israel in Gaza in a way that the government regards as a breach of international law.

Much of the case will turn on the extent to which international law places obligations in domestic law.

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[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 minutes ago

I'd like to hear from a nation that isn't unfairly biased in favor of Israel.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 7 hours ago

There's no evidence there are trees in the forest.

There's no evidence the earth is round.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 6 hours ago

We did however find many recently dug mini basements! There were lots of stinky people in them. We didn't stop to ask because of the stink and I think you need to dig to go into the basements and many only fit one person. We did see a bunch of community basements and oh man those stunk! You know like road kill? Like that but worse! ......hmmm.....WAIT a god dammed minute! Those were bunkers! Wow! Incredible! And here we were thinking they were basements! But only some had a little house on them with a cross to fool us into thinking they were Christian! No! Those were bunkers!

[–] [email protected] 6 points 7 hours ago

I can show them ttlhe videos I've seen of fathers dragging the broken bodies of their children from burning rubble if they need evidence. Fucking ghouls.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 7 hours ago

Just like there is no war in Ba Sing Se.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 6 hours ago

Hmmm I wonder if they have any financial incentive to lie…

[–] [email protected] 16 points 10 hours ago

New Labour has fully transitioned the Labour Party to a Ethno-Fascist Genocide supporting Far Right party.

Almost every other week I get reminded of just how good my decision to leave Britain with Brexit was.

[–] [email protected] 22 points 15 hours ago

That lawyer should be force to move there.

[–] [email protected] 55 points 20 hours ago (1 children)

One cannot see what one does not want to see.

[–] [email protected] 24 points 17 hours ago (1 children)

Yes. These guys have a vested interest in their client selling F-35 parts, so they will try to paint white as black.

The interesting part will be whether the court accepts their reasoning.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 12 hours ago

“It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his salary depends upon his not understanding it!” - Upton Sinclair

[–] [email protected] 43 points 22 hours ago (1 children)

Defense lawyers are ethically obligated to plead for their clients; just as Otto Stahmer denied overwhelming evidence to argue for Hermann Göring's acquittal, despite his documented role as a chief architect of the Holocaust. Meanwhile, England acts as a co-belligerent in Palestine, supplying arms to Israel, vetoing ceasefire efforts, and challenging the ICC's jurisdiction over crimes against humanity. Its refusal to recognize genocide follows a familiar pattern: admission would compel accountability for its own complicity.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 19 hours ago (1 children)

Don't forget active reconnaissance flights from Cyprus.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 17 hours ago* (last edited 16 hours ago)

Let’s hold the UK government to its own words.

Official UK statement (13 Oct 2023):

Prime Minister deploys UK military to Eastern Mediterranean to support Israel (gov.uk, archiveve.today, archive.org)

The UK government claims its military deployment, including surveillance flights from Cyprus, is for "supporting civilians to leave Gaza." However, this aligns with Israel’s efforts to forcibly relocate Palestinians from Gaza, which many legal experts argue could constitute a war crime or even ethnic cleansing under international law.

[–] [email protected] 25 points 23 hours ago (35 children)

Israel is a valuable strategic staging point for The West in the The Middle East. No Western Power will jeopardize access to it.

That's why Israel's behavior is tolerated, and Israel knows it.

And no, I'm not an Anti-Semite. Not all Jews are Israelis.

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[–] [email protected] 50 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Israel is trying to limit incidental harm to women and children? THEY ARE STARVING THE FUCKING REGION!

[–] Tja 13 points 20 hours ago

No no, you see, it's a targeted starvation, they are only cutting power, medicine, water and food to the men... /s

[–] [email protected] 43 points 1 day ago (1 children)

The UK is participating in genocide.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 9 hours ago* (last edited 8 hours ago)

The current leadership of the British party which is now in Government has a MASSIVE personal debt to Israel and Israeli-linked Jewish Organisations in Britain for their campaign to oust the previous leader of the party - the first actual leftwinger elected to it since the 80s - using accusations of anti-semitism which were so wild that at one point a Jewish Holocaust Survivor was repeatedly said to be an anti-semite for what he said in a conference for Palestine, as a means to claim that Labour leader was an anti-semite by association (they sat in the same panel in that conference).

Israel delivered Sir Keir Starmer the top position at the party which was the next in line to get into Government and hence his premiership and Sir Keir Starmer is paying them back by having Britain help Israel mass murder Palestinian children.

The very Prime Minister of the British Government (as well as pretty much the whole of the Labour leadership) has been bought by Israel, not with money but with the greatest favour in their lives.

[–] [email protected] 66 points 1 day ago (1 children)

As they walk over the dead bodies. Nothing to see here. Business as usual.

[–] [email protected] 32 points 1 day ago

Business as usual.

Well, by the standards of the British Empire that could very well be considered true.

[–] [email protected] 33 points 1 day ago (1 children)

WTF? Even our government (Denmark) foreign minister is alarmed by what Israel is doing in Gaza, and he is traditionally very pro Israel!

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gaza_genocide

According to a United Nations Special Committee,[37] Amnesty International, and other experts and human rights organisations, Israel is committing genocide against the Palestinian people

This is so widely reported and acknowledged the only way to ignore it is extreme bias or more likely corruption.

It is also absolutely clear that Israel is committing war crimes regularly, there is zero doubt t about it, and the political leadership in Israel is wanted criminals because of it.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_Criminal_Court_arrest_warrants_for_Israeli_leaders

On 21 November 2024, following an investigation of war crimes and crimes against humanity, the International Criminal Court (ICC) issued arrest warrants for two senior Israeli officials, Benjamin Netanyahu, the Prime Minister of Israel, and Yoav Gallant, the former Minister of Defense of Israel,

Please UK, don't go as corrupt malignant and stupid on us as USA. 🙏

[–] [email protected] 3 points 17 hours ago (1 children)

Ever since Brexit I think it'd a little late for that.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 16 hours ago* (last edited 16 hours ago)

Brexit was bad, but hopefully we can still work closely together. UK is still finding their footing after Brexit.
USA is a different more fundamental break of trust, which I would hate to see repeated with UK.
In most EU countries USA is now more unpopular than China!

UK is on a route where they are balancing EU and USA against each other, while completely forgetting that it was not EU that wanted the break, and EU is still their friend, and USA is not. just look how USA is treating Canada! It's insane that UK is looking towards USA considering how unfriendly USA has become even to their closest ally!

[–] [email protected] 21 points 1 day ago

Well of course Lawyers would say that. Defending amoral actions by their clients is their raison d'etre.

I'm more curious what the judges say tbh

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