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[–] [email protected] 69 points 3 days ago (4 children)

The nazi loved the "nothing to hide". What better than all your information, like religion, nicely written down in official records if you want to suddenly round up one specific group of people. Or DEI wanting to deport a certain group, and DOGE doing their best to suck up all information on everybody. You may have nothing to fear right now, but you never know who's going to be in office soon.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 3 days ago

You may have nothing to fear right now, but you never know who’s going to be in office soon.

The way I always explain it to people - take any additional government power or access to information you either don't care about or actively support. Now imagine whoever you oppose/hate the most taking office and trying to use that against your interests. Are you still OK with them having that power? Same principle applies regardless of what power or who's pushing for it.

It's like due process - you don't want any category of alleged violation not to be subject to due process, and if you don't understand why then it's time to wrongfully accuse you of doing that so you understand the problem.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 3 days ago

Like those people that signed up for DNA sequencing for heritage research. Now that info is going to be sold. The problem is it could be used to discriminate for health insurance or other nefarious reasons

[–] [email protected] 4 points 3 days ago

I still think DOGE is just feeding all that information to Palantir, and everything else is a pretext to that goal.

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[–] [email protected] 33 points 3 days ago

One of the things I warn people about privacy is that it's not about what they might find, it's about what they might pretend to find.

Plenty of dirty cops plant evidence. Who's to say they don't like someone and keep a flash drive full of Cheese Pizza to plant on their computer. Usually that kind of logic gets people on board more easily.

[–] [email protected] 43 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (2 children)

ok ill be the one to say it then: the NSA are fascists. the NSA is evil.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

What is your definition of Fascist, here?

It seems to get tossed around at everything, these days. Not a fan if the NSA either, nor the Patriot Act, either.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

fascism is capitalism showing its teeth, like what trump is doing more overtly now. one part of it involves enforcing a bolder and more baldfaced surveillance/police state.

the NSA is literally one of the intelligence arms of said surveillance state. they help manipulate people, find and disappear dissidents, suppress resistance and such. not unlike a few other 3 letter agencies.

they've been quacking like fascists way before trump, they have feathers like fascists and swim like fascists. hence why i call it fascist.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 day ago (1 children)

fascism is capitalism showing its teeth, like what trump is doing more overtly now

AFAIK that is not the definition of fascism

But I've seen a TikTok of someone who is studying politcal doctrines (IDR if their level was Major or PHD) and what is currently going on was ticking off all the boxes

[–] [email protected] 1 points 19 hours ago* (last edited 14 hours ago)

there are many, sometimes conflicting definitions. this one sums it up.

i focus on the police state and militarism part of it because thats what the NSA is for.

and if it ticks all the damn boxes, thats wtf it is. your phd person on tiktok is probably referring to the 12 early signs. its been ticking them for decades now.

but please don't rely on tiktok to get informed and read up on it, regardless of what qualifications tiktokers claim to have. its slop that barely clears the basics at best.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 3 days ago (2 children)

Lol i really cringed at that phrasing about "good people doing bad things". Theyre literally fascists doing fascism to advance their interests, it really doesn't matter if they are vegan and have dogs.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 days ago (1 children)

the quote in question is over a decade old...

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 day ago (1 children)

So? The US was still spying on it's citizens and murdering people abroad at that time.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 day ago (1 children)

i assumed you were making a comment on the modern (fascist) administration. there's a difference between shitty politics and fascism. :P

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 day ago

covert fascism. its more than shitty politics when they are murdering millions abroad, starving tens of millions more (including their own citizens) suppressing protesters violently.. this sort of thing.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 days ago

Je was a contractor for the NSA, sis you think he was going to say anything different?

[–] [email protected] 56 points 3 days ago

"The early Internet’s dissociative opportunities actually encouraged me and those of my generation to change our most deeply held opinions, instead of just digging in and defending them when challenged. This ability to reinvent ourselves meant that we never had to close our minds by picking sides, or close ranks out of fear of doing irreparable harm to our reputations. Mistakes that were swiftly punished but swiftly rectified allowed both the community and the “offender” to move on. To me, and to many, this felt like freedom." ~ Permanent Record, Snowden.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Let me check your Attic why not, you're not hiding any jews are you?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 day ago

Yeah, so what if I want to hide a bunch of Jews in my attic?

[–] [email protected] 33 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (1 children)

My response to this is usually "Do you have curtains?"

Very late edit: I have found it very effective. It causes pause for thought because everyone values privacy, they just find it hard to picture themselves needing it. Curtains.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 3 days ago

My response is similar, usually the good old 'Do you shut the door when you shit?'.

When we start getting specific, I'll often try and frame data harvesting in a much more visceral way. If they say they don't care that xyz keeps track of everyone they talk to, I ask them to imagine an actual person standing behind them, making notes on a clipboard about every interaction they have with someone, and how that would make them feel.

[–] [email protected] 25 points 3 days ago (1 children)

He misattributes that quote

https://www.gutenberg.org/ebooks/1558

You will find the quote in this book that predates Nazi Germany

[–] [email protected] 14 points 3 days ago (1 children)

So the quote was about the American secret service?

[–] [email protected] 21 points 3 days ago

Here’s a scientific dissertation on how and why that phrase sucks: https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=998565

It’s so easy to use but very hard to fights against. Worst case of bullshit.

[–] [email protected] 17 points 3 days ago

Feels like out of all the amendements, the 4th is the most violated one in US history.

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[–] [email protected] 11 points 3 days ago (1 children)

We desperately need a constitutional right to privacy, but I doubt that will happen in my or our country's lifetime.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (1 children)

Which country? Plenty of countries have at least a nominal right to privacy, but it doesn't end up meaning much when US companies own your country's communications platforms.

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[–] [email protected] 15 points 3 days ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 9 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (1 children)

Snowden is a brave guy in some ways, but even in spite of his leaks, he's remained a naive US-supremacist libertarian, who evangangelizes tech over political action, defends the OTF, silicon valley, and US-DoD funded crypto tools and privacy apps.

The lesson of 2013 is not that the NSA is evil. It’s that the path is dangerous. The network path is something that we need to help users get across safely. Our job as technologists, our job as engineers, our job as anybody who cares about the internet in any way, who has any kind of personal or commercial involvement is literally to armor the user, to protect the user and to make it that they can get from one end of the path to the other safely without interference,” he told an auditorium filled with the world’s foremost computer and network engineers at a 2015 meeting of the Internet Engineering Task Force in Prague. He reaffirmed his view a year later at Fusion’s 2016 Real Future Fair in Oakland, California. “If you want to build a better future, you’re going to have to do it yourself. Politics will take us only so far and if history is any guide, they are the least reliable means of achieving the effective change.… They’re not gonna jump up and protect your rights,” he said. “Technology works differently than law. Technology knows no jurisdiction.”

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[–] [email protected] 9 points 3 days ago

Fuck me, the last part hit me HARD. I won't get into the details why because it is painful for me to talk about it.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 3 days ago (3 children)

Weird how Edward Snowden is basically a Boddhisatwa and Julian Assange

[–] [email protected] 16 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Weird how Edward Snowden is basically a Boddhisatwa and Julian Assange

Defining someone a Bodhisattva is complex. Snowden & Assange acted with potential benefit & harm. True Bodhisattvas act from pure compassion & wisdom, embodying equanimity. Their actions offer reflection on truth & consequences.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 3 days ago (6 children)
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[–] [email protected] 11 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Could you explain what you mean by that please?

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[–] [email protected] 8 points 3 days ago

The answer to that Reddit post is to delete your account on Reddit.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 3 days ago

I have "nothing to hide" but I STILL like privacy tyvm. Hence I'll shit in public with the stall door closed, and not disclose my wank schedule on Facebook

[–] [email protected] 9 points 3 days ago (2 children)

What did she say after Snowden dropped that bomb?

[–] [email protected] 16 points 3 days ago

We'll be right back after these messages

[–] [email protected] 14 points 3 days ago (1 children)

I'm gonna guess a whole lot of flustered backpedaling amounting to not a lot of anything, but I'm willing to be surprised if someone wants to dig up the video.

[–] jwt 10 points 3 days ago (1 children)

I don't think this image shows her being in a position to backpedal from. I see her providing him with a platform to counter some points that were made elsewhere; she has not necessarily taken a position one way or the other.

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[–] [email protected] 8 points 3 days ago
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