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cross-posted from: https://europe.pub/post/372863

cross-posted from: https://metawire.eu/post/61363

The right-wing billionaire’s platform has recently lost about 10 percent of its European user base.

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[–] [email protected] 14 points 4 hours ago

Fedi is doing fine whether or not Nazi platforms crumble.

[–] [email protected] 23 points 7 hours ago (3 children)

They're all going to bluesky because for some reason as soon as social media gets involved, the wonderful human ability to pattern match just gets switched off.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 36 minutes ago

Except for the fact that most people dont like jumping through multiple hoops to register an account / need to do research beforehand to do it.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 9 minutes ago

personally i prefer bluesky just because the interface is more natural to me (and it's just easier - but also because aew twitter is there and there's more fandoms over on it) but i wish more people would embrace bridgyfed so that we don't have to choose.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 5 hours ago (1 children)

Maybe they just don't like your pattern, huu-man

[–] [email protected] 4 points 5 hours ago* (last edited 5 hours ago)

What, the VC funded tech firm makes lots of noise about not being evil before eventually just becoming evil yet again pattern? Yeah I don't like it either.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 8 hours ago (4 children)

A lot of our biggest communities still have like two mods taking care of everything and are prone to cherry picking. It‘s the same old forum structures where the internet bubble effect is just as strong if not stronger than on larger, already problematic platforms. Some of the things I‘ve seen and experienced lately bring back memories from those internet forum days. Good ones but also the worst ones. And I have to admit it makes me doubt the Fediverse is actually scalable. There‘s just a lack of accountability in the end.

Which is not to say a federalized platform isn‘t an alternative to giant corporations. Those have their own problems and fair share of fuck ups. But I think I‘m already starting to see the limits of the Fediverse. At least in it‘s current stage.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 7 hours ago

The fediverse is much more than just lemmy. That being said i also disagree for lemmy. Drama between mods and communities was a regular thing on reddit. Still reddit managed to grow quite big before the bots took over. And companies are in no way more accountable to the users. Look at what happened with twitter under Musk. The only realistic choice you have as a normal user is to leave. And in the fediverse leaving a shitty instance still allows you to connect with all the other content from a different instance.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 8 hours ago (1 children)

The fediverse is about options. If you don't like how someone else runs their platform or community you can create your own. It's awesome because you don't get locked into one platform. And in the future I think we will see more big companies and organisations running their own stuff. But I agree that at the moment it is not what "normal people" are looking for and it will take quite some time until it develops. But to be fair the same was the case for reddit.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 7 hours ago (1 children)

I guess there is a hope that if more people join the Fediverse existing instances and communities won‘t just become more bloated but people create their own alternatives. However I have to say that I have no interest in running one myself. I‘m mostly here to discuss things that pique my interest. Running a community just isn‘t what I‘m here for and I‘m afraid too many people are just like me in that regard and we‘ll create an environment that‘s all too similar to Reddit.

I also don‘t think it‘s good for the platform when people leave a community with a grudge to create a competition „with blackjack and hookers“ style. I want people to come and just create communities because they want to. That‘s where I see a future for the Fediverse.

But I also wouldn‘t want to subscribe to 5 communities about the exact same topic because that would just spam my feed with the same threads probably. However I would actually like to hop between them easily so I don‘t stick around the same few people or have to abandon one for another. A lot would have to change about the way we interact with the platform (UI) and how it‘s connected for this to work though. I‘m thinking about subscribing to topics and it shows you a good mix of communities where overlapping threads are kind of stacked or something and you could swipe cards to see comments from different communities about it or something. This is a tough one to figure out. Might not even be possible at all.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 4 hours ago (1 children)

I‘m thinking about subscribing to topics and it shows you a good mix of communities where overlapping threads are kind of stacked or something and you could swipe cards to see comments from different communities about it or something.

This sounds like PieFed

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 hour ago

Haven’t heard of that and will look into that. Thank you.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 8 hours ago (1 children)

Could you elaborate on the scalability problems of the fediverse in comparison to corporation owned platforms?

[–] [email protected] 3 points 7 hours ago

I fear communities are lacking resources and structure to handle the masses. It‘s something corporations already struggle with but they house like 10000 times more active users. One way to go around that was mentioned above and suggested that new users may keep creating new instances and communities so a few places don‘t just explode in size. But from my experience, if a community already covers a topic, there won‘t be much competition and we end up with a power mod environment (Reddit) at best and instances going dark from overload (hug of death) at worst.

But I don‘t want to sound too bleak about all of this. In the end these are challenges that someone might already work on.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 8 hours ago

More people = more people that can moderate

[–] [email protected] 4 points 10 hours ago (3 children)

Europeans don't like Nazis.

Americans, well...

[–] [email protected] 8 points 7 hours ago

AfD Is Now Germany’s Most Popular Party For The First Time Ever.

I wish the 'Europeans don’t like Nazis.', would be true, but we maybe just lagging behind.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 9 hours ago* (last edited 9 hours ago)

Europeans don't like Nazis.

I wish this was true.

Greetings from Austria, where a far right party is the strongest, although not ruling (yet)

[–] [email protected] 2 points 7 hours ago

The Americans inspired them after all.

[–] [email protected] -2 points 5 hours ago (1 children)

I hate X but I also dislike echo chambers

[–] [email protected] 6 points 4 hours ago (2 children)

I also hate when people think an echo chamber is something inherently bad. Everything is an echo chamber. Your family, your friends, your local gaming community, your workplace. An echo chamber only becomes a problem when bad actors take control.

Facebook, Twitter, TikTok, or even Google. They give a shit about your wellbeing, as long as they profit.

Echo chambers are okay, no even necessary to stay mentally sane, as long as people share their honest takes without large scale agendas and manipulation.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 hour ago* (last edited 1 hour ago)

Facebook, Twitter, TikTok, or even Google. They give a shit about your wellbeing, as long as they profit.

That's delusional. The try to cater to what will keep you engaged, so that as much of the data you can generate can be milked. That's like saying that agrobusiness cares about livestock's wellbeing.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 hours ago (2 children)

Echo chambers are okay, no even necessary to stay mentally sane, as long as people share their honest takes without large scale agendas and manipulation.

You're using a different definition of "echo chamber" than I've ever heard of. What you're describing is groups of people sharing opinions that can differ with one another in good faith discussion. If differing views are being introduced its, by definition, not an echo chamber.

An echo chamber is when only one set of opinions are voiced, and all responses are in support of that opinion, hence the "echo" portion of the term.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 2 hours ago (1 children)

What you're describing is groups of people sharing opinions that can differ with one another in good faith discussion.

The problem is, this is what fashies consider an “echo chamber”. The definition itself is not applied in good faith by certain cohorts. For example, people having good-faith debates are “liberal” echo chambers, because not toeing the alt-right fascist line is never considered to be good faith.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 50 minutes ago

The problem is, this is what fashies consider an “echo chamber”. The definition itself is not applied in good faith by certain cohorts.

Fashies also have vastly different perverted definitions for all kinds of things like "freedom" and "peace", but I'm not adopting their definitions of those either. I'm not sure where you're going with this unless you're saying @[email protected] is a fascist, but I don't think you are saying that.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 hours ago* (last edited 2 hours ago)

If we are throwing around big words, we have to be precise though.

Echo chambers always existed and we are in them all the time. A few hundreds or thousands years ago, we lived in small groups. Those definitely had different opinions, but overall had the same values. Those were echo chambers. Now, where those bad? No, you want people to be in line on foundational topics.

But if you start to manipulate these opinions on the ground level, you're going to divide people.

Global warming? Is it really that bad? Migrants? Aren't the stealing our jobs? LGBTQ+? Aren't they just harassing our kids and women? Hitler? Was he really that bad?????

Do you get what I mean? Echo chambers aren't the problem. They always existed. It's bad influence that turns everything to shit.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 12 hours ago* (last edited 12 hours ago)

Couldn’t happen to a nicer piece of shit.

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