How will you possibly enforce this?
this post was submitted on 25 Apr 2025
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Well, like any other rules. The community helps a lot with this.
Most of the time it's clear and OP doesn't hide the fact - in those cases we hope OP checks the rules before posting and then decides not to.
But, let's say some popular post gets a lot of comments, one of the comments is just two lines of harmless AI text so no one pays attention or knows it's genAI and therefore no one reports it: we wont notice and the comment that technically breaks the rules is staying. The commenter has either not read the rules or, if they have, is celebrating their victory at home for passing the great mod filter wall.
Mods are just normal users part of this community and volunteered to moderate this community when they can. Mostly we have been acting on reports by other users of this community and we filter out troll posts and comments that are just e.g. racist, transphobic, etc.
We don't have some fine modding tools that parse every post and comment, if no one notices / reports rule breaking content then it won't be acted upon.
Thank you for announcing it, I never noticed any AI generated content here, but still better safe than sorry
Yeah it seemed like community had some thoughts about it and better to have a clear entry about that in the sidebar.
How will you know ?
Simple, if you can't tell, then it's a good image and removal is unwarranted
On the cryptography forum(s) I run my rule is that all use of LLM/AI must be declared, including the prompt.
Wouldn't mind banning it completely, but I think it's better to not discourage people who are genuinely trying to learn, while getting an opportunity to show them where LLM will go wrong.
If the point about teaching doesn't apply to your forum (like one about memes), I don't see the usefulness of a disclosure rule and thus you might as well ban it completely.
For images, text can be inconsistent and different parts of the image that would make sense to be copied would be unique
For this community specifically I somewhat answered your question in this comment chain.
TLDR: we won't probably always know. We trust that this rule is a clear guideline and hope people read rules before posting.
If you can't tell; does it matter? I imagine the rule is there to filter out noise.
First community to actually do something about this ๐
I want to mention I'm personally not against AI generated content, and don't know why so many people seem against all forms of AI, especially when it comes to images, but i am against wrong information and low effort crap so it will just say you do you feddit.uk and good of our community to follow the instance.
I'm against it because of the questionable ways AI gets trained (stealing art or books for example) and also because of the environmental impacts.
With the unethical training habits and energy consumption from megacorps, in addition to just being brain-killing slop, AI generated content should have no place in social media. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Sorcerer%27s_Apprentice
Yeah my main interest in this community is the topic, and thankfully this doesn't really affect this community dramatically since the content that people post is generally not related to AI.
And anyway, good to have clear guidelines. There are plenty of communities where the focus is AI (or anti-AI) and for feddit.uk users who want to participate still can (the ban is about communities hosted on feddit.uk, they are not defederating or banning AI on remote communities).
I think living in a democracy (and I consider this also as one, dispute there not being elections) is accepting I don't make the rules. And in that case I rather have clear rules I disagree with than vague rules that give me a desire to argue about my interpretation of them all the time.
Also good that we follow the instance, since that means that if people have a problem with a certain rule than there is a set place for that discussion and we as a community can be free of arguments about them. Plus if I want to try and change a certain rule, I know where I need to direct my time and energy to.
oh why?
The rule has been added because communities have to follow the rules of the instance they are hosted on and feddit.uk (buyeuropean is hosted on feddit.uk) has introduced this rule.
If they had not introduced it we would have had to have a discussion about genAI rule anyway on this community, because it was a controversial topic as we saw on an earlier post here.
because LLMs can't differentiate what's facts and what's fiction, which is quite important when trying to determine the origin of a product? and because AI generated content is, most of the time, low effort garbage?
So basically we should stop funding le chat mistral ai and miss out on a market just like we did with smartphones?
You think that's a good idea buddy? Not supporting our own products?
oh no, not missing out on the technology that hallucinates false information and makes fake people with six fingers, for a meagre cost of half an Amazon jungle per prompt! the horror!
Are you too young to have gone through past innovations? Have you not used the internet in 2002? YouTube was laughably bad back when it started. Microsoft was just a basic company.
You don't know that AI will be improved upon? Are you this ignorant?
The Belgian government already made it law to use peppol invoices. That's so that AI can automate the bookkeeping and that governments will have all the information they need in order to tax correctly.
Damn fools on this platform
In that case the rules should be a) no wrong information and b) no low effort garbage, if you ask me.
so "no AI-generated content", but with more words
This reply was first written by me, using the spellcheck and auto-complete features of my keyboard, and then run through an LLM to optimize it for readability with explicit instructions to not change the tone. It does not contain any incorrect information, and is obviously not low effort, however per the rules this comment should not be allowed.
Even then, AI models (be it text or image) are generally unethically trained (i.e. without consent of the authors/artists of the training material) and have a significant energy consumption, even for single prompts.
And I do have to ask: To what degree is running your comment through an LLM actually beneficial? You say it improved readability, but how unreadable was your original comment actually, that it would require fixing via external tool?
I get your sarcasm, but since I believe your comment holds a serious conviction I want to ask: have you never seen lawbooks? Clarity is good, but not at all costs.
What about if the text on an image is factual but the accompanying stock photography is just an AI generated one? what's the harm and/or who cares?
if you use an AI-generated header for your article, then I'm going assume the text has been AI-generated, too. and I'm not going to bother reading something that no one could be bothered to write.
People have tried so damn hard to be objective. To take their own subjectivity out of their writings.
But that's impossible.
Ai can do just that. It can analyse far more data than you can even imagine.
It's the future.
"AI" doesn't have a mind of its own to formulate am "objective" opinion, it just regurgitates whatever it's being fed, and what it's being fed is our biases.
It objectively states a summary of all of our combined biases. Which is valuable.
What else are you going to do? Humans are always going to search for information that supports their own bias.
AI forces them to read through bullet points that go against their own bias. It lowers the effect of polarisation if this is done on large scale.
it objectively
nope, it doesn't have a way of telling what's objective and what isn't.
Which is valuable.
oh cool so let's just give up then
what an irrelevant thing to say.
AI is never objective. It's always influenced by its training set and its parameters. What data is it going to analyse? Where does that data come from? And even if it were: choosing to write about one thing instead of another is also bias.
Humans are also never objective. Which is good. I'd rather know the biases of the author instead of some fake objectivity.
Funnily, the best explanation on this thread was just me copy pasting it from le chat mistral.
It simply gave a good explanation of how it works. Why it can't be objective.
It's removed though.
Objectivity is the wrong word then. I seek to know multiple angles all at once.
Nobody on this thread is pro AI, but that's insane. As it's one of the most growing markets. So there's a lot of information lacking here.