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I keep seeing posts mentioning this phenomenon more and more often.

For instance:

More and more men are being sucked into parts of the internet that circulate misogynist content, leaving their families to deal with the wreckage

'Andrew Tate phenomena' surges in schools - with boys refusing to talk to female teacher

Like, why? Why now? Why even? I really wish I had a time machine where I could go to the future and ask them what the general reasons were for this social development. But I feel like I'm looking for the specific thorn on a cactus that popped my balloon.

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[–] [email protected] 4 points 6 days ago

One teacher said she’d had 10-year-old boys “refuse to speak to [her]…because [she is] a woman”

Does this come from Tate? This could also be a child from a family with partiarchal values. Tate is not the only source of influence. But one incident shouldn't be part of an article because it is an exception.

What is the general reason for social development? The elite is creating the cirucumstances for change. Why? Divide and conquer.

On an individual level, masculinity makes sense because going to the gym and being confident makes life much more simple than trying to feel compassion with everybody. For boys, masculinity is the common denominator among all cultures. So in a multicultural society, that's what is going to be established as the fused culture of the next generation.

Girls have the same problems, but their answer, being pretty and doing makeup, doesn't cause trouble and is thus ignored.

To change this, new forms of education must be developed because math and geography don't teach the necessary skills to deal with this complex world.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 6 days ago

https://youtu.be/AV59O9H7-KM

This video by Jimmy The Giant explains it better than I can in words.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Social medias thrive on engagement, and controversial content is king of engagement.

So social medias companies push content like Andrew Tate and co because it makes them money and they don't care about anything else.

Young people are impressionable, and they get pushed that crap over and over.

If everyday of your life you get told that women are just baby factories, you will eventually start to believe it, some sooner than others.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 6 days ago

Social media algorithms create filter bubbles that limit your perception of the full world. The algorithm changes the "high" it creates to keep you interacting with it as long as possible. If social media algorithms were real life drugs they would be considered the most dangerous of all because of their psychological toll.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 5 days ago

I think at some point in time, I might have been a little bit more susceptible to this. I've had a very hard time getting a girlfriend, in part because of a terrible dating sphere - ironically, very much caused by rapists like Andrew Tate. So really, the men frustrated by lack of attention should be blaming Andrew Tate, not worshipping him, but the same situation is true for, say, businesses suffering from government regulation joining lobbying groups, etc.

Loneliness combined with the requisite image of male strength kind of forces people to either admit to being a loser, or "taking charge" in a way that demonizes the rest of the world. Being turned down repeatedly denies them a lot of power, so they're eager to steal some back in any way they can, even if it's for a cause that doesn't actually help them.

As for why I never fell in there; I had good parents, and a financial cushion. If I was always starved for cash, chances are mental stress like that might've actually pushed me into very poor choices.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago)

Because hes alpha and fucks

/s

[–] [email protected] 3 points 6 days ago

I can't help but feel that the amount of people following the likes of Tate did not change much, they just got an opportunity to get more vocal, being less afraid of a pushback.

They are a now vocal minority, similar to how there was a rise in Neo-Nazi speech, for example.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 5 days ago

It's what uneducated men do when they end up making society so hostile to women that women don't want to date anymore.

A more extreme version of this happened durning the Arab Spring.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago)

Unimpressive men who have exhausted all other ways to gain social status except by force, resort to forcibly gaining status.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 5 days ago (11 children)

Because people in the far left attack masculinity as toxic. This is blowback.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 5 days ago (1 children)

Can you expand on what you mean?

[–] [email protected] 2 points 5 days ago (4 children)

The last decade has seen many people openly criticize masculinity like it's some form of toxic waste. This is what they grew up hearing. That there's something wrong with being manly or a man. When somebody like Tate comes along and tells them it's okay they gravitate to it to make them feel less worthless. Btw why do we never hear about toxic femininity? 😉

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[–] [email protected] 2 points 6 days ago

Hasn't this always been the case? Men flocking to an idolized image of masculinity with a sense of superiority over women?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 5 days ago

How do people learn how to parent teenagers these days?

[–] [email protected] 2 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago)

I really wish I had a time machine where I could go to the future and ask them what the general reasons were for this social development.

I think I had this exact thought yesterday. In the past, there's been hints that appear within just a few months if you're looking.

Most of the explanations posted aren't very convincing. If it's just a daddy figure or toxic masculinity or just personal affirmation that's not new and should have applied all along. The YouTube algorithm could be part of it, but then you just get a question about why the YouTube algorithm was pushing that.

A random theory, just based on something I read recently: looksmaxxing is becoming a big thing, which is itself a sign of equality in that the burden for being attractive is now going both ways. Paradoxically, the new cohort of men with body image issues is very vulnerable to radicalisation by the manosphere.

It'd be kind of surprising if that was the whole thing, though...

[–] [email protected] 1 points 6 days ago

Another possible reason may be online dating.

https://youtu.be/x3lypVnJ0HM

Most people use online dating. Average looking men have very low chances to get a match because of : The much lower number of women on these platforms compared to men; which leads to the logical consequence of men lowering standards to increase their chances of getting a match; which of course leads to women being more selective causing a feedback loop that compounds on itself. So only the highly attractive men get a lot of likes and this leads to them being promiscuous which makes women think all men are assholes. And because finding a date is easy for women it's also very easy to ghost men for the smallest things.

And this whole system is also propped up by the Match group which owns all major dating apps in order to squeeze out as much as they can out of desperate people, basically monetizing loneliness.

When you swipe and swipe for months and only get one date and get ghosted right after, you start to devalue yourself, what other explanation can there be except that as a man you are horrible. And you spiral into depression and blame yourself (when in fact the whole system is wrong and is bad for both men and women).

Then suddenly comes a macho man who tells you that women are the problem, that it's not you (and that they also have courses to sell that will make you finally get women), of course you're gonna believe him, finally a way out of depression. A wrong way, a shitty way, but a way nonetheless.

These people are hurt and are acting out in the wrong way, leading to more hurting. And people like Andrew Tate are getting rich off of it.


PS: A long time ago OkCupid had you answering between 20 and a few hundreds of questions, plus answers you'd expect from your potential partner, plus how important that question is for you; and then it would show you a list of matched in order of compatibility. It was amazing. (but it got bought out by Match and turned into a tinder clone).

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